Lord Logis Sondra Kerdos

Wow. You are a spiteful little one aren't you. 


deliberately attempt to conceal unpleasant facts about (a person or organization).


Whitewash definition 
 
The Inquisition goes to war with itself all the time, something anyone who would try to claim to have a better understanding of 40k lore than someone else in an argument ought to know.


Just as they ought to know that the events of Mechanicum take place prior to the end of the Horus Heresy and subsequent radicalization of both Imperial and Admech beliefs and dogmas.


And that the 40k Wikia is a load of unreliable garbage.


And that 40k is inherently and unrealistic setting.


And this is without mentioning the blatant hints at Eldarian heritage in the sheet. Or the fact that her "Attraction to Humanities" runs inherently counter to the fact that she's basically a Human sized logic engine.
 
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I am fully aware of all the inquisition lore and internal affairs. 


Rather than continue arguing what you think is right, let's do this. 


What reasonably should be done to accommodate to your sensibilities? 
 
I'm on a work break atm, but I'll take a moment to post that the tone of the conversation in this thread is unacceptable.  I expect friendly exchanges over lore disputes.  
 
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Bone2pick said:
I'm on a work break atm, but I'll take a moment to post that the tone of the conversation in this thread is unacceptable.  I expect friendly exchanges over lore disputes.  
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Don't look at me.  I'm not the one making irrational strawman arguments and elitist garbage to defend a ridiculous mary sue lore-breaker character.
 
Haven't been called a Mary Sue in so long it's really refreshing. 


But again, I'd like to be the first to apologize if I've offended. Bone is right and we shouldn't be arguing over lore. We look like jackasses! 


Again, how best to accommodate you? :)  
 
Teh Frixz said:
What reasonably should be done to accommodate to your sensibilities? 
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Glad you asked!


The way I see it, you have two routes you can take from the current point: Either fallback on the dogmatic side of things, reaffirming faith in the God-Emperor as the Omnissiah, dropping the illogical humanism and embracing the character's role in life as a being of pure logic, after all, it is only logical that a being so mighty as the Emperor who was able to bend and repair machinery with a mere touch be the manifestation of the machine god! Else the ancient Martians would never have accepted his authority and the Treaty of Olympus would never have been signed. This version of the character would strengthen its ties to the rest of the Admech and the local Imperial higherups, as it's only logical to retain good relations between the organizations in order to perform their respective duties at maximum efficiency.


Such a character is free to explore the intricacies of Admech and Imperial internal politics and diplomacy as they fight to maintain their supply of resources over competing groups and cooperating against Underhive threats and internal conspiracies, having their loyalty, faith and patience tried and tested as sabotage, malfunctions and disappearances setback projects and draws greater attention and suspicion from higher authorities and outside forces.


Alternatively, embrace the heretical side of the character, secretly rejecting the Cult's views on the Emperor and the Imperium as a whole in favor of the unhindered quest for knowledge above all else. The character cares little for the trappings and dogmas of either organization, seeing them as illogical hindrances to The Quest for Knowledge that does and should drive all life, especially those enlightened members of mankind such as the character their self and their followers and subordinates. This version of the character would be secretive and distant, keeping to a select few trusted subordinates that help them carry out their work and maintaining only close enough ties to the rest of the local Admech and Imperial bureaucracy as necessary to avoid arousing suspicion while they pursue their real goals, which may include such things as;


-Experimentation on random Underhivers


-Scavenging the Underhive for Archeotech


-Diverting funds and resources to pursue those goals


-Falsifying reports to hide the fact that they're diverting resources to those goals


-Eliminating witnesses to protect their secrets.


-Improving and expanding upon their augmentation and the augmentation of their subordinates to protect themselves in the event of discovery.


Paranoia and desperation define this character, as they slowly slip deeper and deeper into a downward spiral in their attempts to remain undiscovered, resorting to more and more extreme methods to protect their self and their work as it gets harder and harder to conceal their growing heresy. And of course, there's tons of mileage for writing to be had behind exploring such a character's motivations, whether they're doing what must be done for the betterment of mankind or for selfish, personal gains.


As for more personal notes on the character, no accounting for taste and all, I'd suggest dropping the hints at Eldar ancestry as it, to me at least, smacks of fluff-rape and mary-sue. Maybe also tack on some more augments and add a few pounds to represent the fact that she's supposed to be a high ranking member of the Mechanicus and possibly add a rival or associate of similar rank and a few subordinates as contacts to add a bit of representation to her role as a leader of sorts.
 
I'm fairly surprised you picked up on that. Personally I don't care for eldar but I thought some light references to possible heretical groups on Stygies would be fun. Easily dropped as its not a character trait but then you do lose the slight 'taint of humanities' vs desire for logic internal battle. Wasn't ancestries but possible corruption and heretical experimentation by Xenite family.  And don't worry, as far as sues go don't be concerned. I think I have more RP posts on the site IC for DH then most have as total posts and hasn't been a problem. 


I I like your ideas but I'm hesitant of going either route in favor of continuing to straddle the fine lines between. One is obviously a more accomidaiting option but it's not needed to go so hard core. I prefer working in grey instead of black and white 
 
Teh Frixz said:
For Imperials yes. This is just one of the many sects and beliefs of the Adeptus Mechanicus. The Emperor is a swell guy and a strong unifying force for good in the Imperium but is he a god? 
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I just feel this should be pointed out, having read the novels you are referencing and some others too, mechanicum is a book during the horus heresy, it is about A. How the vastly different believes of the mechanicum higher command was one of the biggest detriments to its downfall, B how technologies that could have led humanity to a true second golden age fell, it was a true falling from grace for the mechanicum and the great calamity on mars is what truly made the mechanicum what it is today.


And yes while you could get away with a secret believe that the void dragon is the manifestation of the omnissiah and not the emperor or that the emperor is more son/manifestation of instead of one and the same. In official channels this is not tolerated, the official stance is that the emperor IS the omnissiah, he is the will of the machine god made manifest and he is guiding his chosen people humanity, and humanity includes the peeps in the adeptus mechanicum, no reason to claim they are seperate species.


An open stance like this would have prompted an investigation by the inquisition and probably even a joint one with aid from the mechanicum as subversive, inventive or heretical elements are generally to be eliminated.
 
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I do find it hard to believe her stance is really seen as all that big of a deal. It's something like one inquisitor believing they are able to use Xenos weapons and one saying that all trace of Xenos is heretical. Both types of inquisitors exist, why is hard to see that there are variances in Mechainicus Doctrine and how people go about it? 
 
Well thing being, those inquisitors don't exactly live in peace side by side.


The more extreme elements are generally found on the outskirts of the imperium with the more conservative ones being closer to terra and nearly always radical inquisitors group together meaning they don't interract enough to truly get into a position of open hostility.


Necromunda being a planet in the segmentum solar I find it nearly impossible to imagine a high ranking adeptus mechanicum official with  radical views being assigned to a planet this close to the center of imperial authority.


You can find these sorts of elements in the outer segmentums but solar is generally considered of such importance subversive elements to imperial authority being allowed just doesn't really pop into my mind as something that would be done.
 
How would the Imperium even know of these radical beliefs regarding something they have little knowledge of? And besides that, I really don't think an Admech privately believing that the Emperor isn't the Omnissiah but behaving along with the general idea he is really counts as radical. There are entire Forge worlds that practice the same belief as Kerdos 
 
Teh Frixz said:
How would the Imperium even know of these radical beliefs regarding something they have little knowledge of? And besides that, I really don't think an Admech privately believing that the Emperor isn't the Omnissiah but behaving along with the general idea he is really counts as radical. There are entire Forge worlds that practice the same belief as Kerdos 
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A, you'd assume the segmentum solar administration knows who its assigning to an extremely vital position for the imperiums functioning what with necromunda being one of the primary recruitment sites of the imperial guard.


B, this is something that either a mechanicum or inquisition investigation would have determined, heck if you atleast mentioned an investigation took place and it was confirmed that she was deemed fit for assignment that would be one thing but i mean the imperium isn't a place where personal opinions or private believes are respected when there is a chance that they will undermine the imperiums' functioning.


And to the there are entire forge worlds that practice that belief, something tells me they aren't in the segmentum solar.


Also it should be noted that a magos assigned to an imperial world and a magos assigned to a mechanicum forge world will have different requirements when it comes to their skills at cooperating which is a skill that generally is influenced by your personal look at the issue.
 
admiral9 said:
A, you'd assume the segmentum solar administration knows who its assigning to an extremely vital position for the imperiums functioning what with necromunda being one of the primary recruitment sites of the imperial guard.


B, this is something that either a mechanicum or inquisition investigation would have determined, heck if you atleast mentioned an investigation took place and it was confirmed that she was deemed fit for assignment that would be one thing but i mean the imperium isn't a place where personal opinions or private believes are respected when there is a chance that they will undermine the imperiums' functioning.


And to the there are entire forge worlds that practice that belief, something tells me they aren't in the segmentum solar.


Also it should be noted that a magos assigned to an imperial world and a magos assigned to a mechanicum forge world will have different requirements when it comes to their skills at cooperating which is a skill that generally is influenced by your personal look at the issue.
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In fairness, whilst my Enginseer isn't as radical, he's had to keep his radical beliefs secret. It's very difficult to do for such a high up member of the Mechanicum but plausible. Hell, it's plausible (albeit highly unlikely) that she'd attract tech priests to her cause. But if even one person finds out and manages to tell an Inquisitor, she's not going to have a very fun time.
 
She doesn't have a cause even! She's not preaching or practicing. It's just her thoughts on the matter. She doesn't go around proclaiming and stuff, she's just into her job and function. 
 
Teh Frixz said:
The Machine God (also known as the Omnissiah or Deus Mechanicus) is the theological entity worshipped by the Tech-priests and other servants of the Adeptus Mechanicus as the embodiment and bestower of all knowledge and technology in the universe. For many in the Imperium of Man, this belief conflicts with the orthodox theology of the Imperial Cult where the only God of humanity is the Emperor of Mankind. But since the Adeptus Mechanicus is vital to the survival of the Imperium, conflict over this issue is often avoided by the Mechanicus' willing conflation of the Machine God's avatar in the physical world, the Omnissiah, with the Emperor himself. This compromise truly satisfies neither believers in the Cult Mechanicus or the Imperial Cult, but it keeps the peace between the two faiths and the Imperium functioning.
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This was my assumption based on everything I've read.  A compromise of faith that satisfies neither but is necessary in order to maintain a working relationship.
 
But basically yeah, all I wanted was that type of tech priest that goes along with the belief for the sake of peace but personally thinks it's trash 
 
Bone2pick said:
I am looking at you. Reconsider how you engage with members over lore disputes.
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In fairness to Melissia, she's not the one who responded to honest criticism of her character sheet with elitist putdowns and strawman arguments, which tends to rather sour the mood of a discussion.
 
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Elitist and straw man. I keep hearing that. Can I have an example? Again, if I offended with my opinions on things I do wish to convey my apologies. 
 
And I take it you guys have a small group of characters you've used before in some prior game setting, possibly in real life? Your similar post count and you are all following each other makes me think you've grouped up before and have some sort of established character canon? Where have you guys played before? I'd love to read up on it. 
 
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