Literature Harry Potter Headcanons

[defenderofberk]

What makes you think Ron is transgender? He doesn't give off that vibe at all.

I don't, I'd just think he'd say he is for the attention and validation. It's been shockingly prevelant in schools, especially secondary schools for the last few years.

 

[rae2nerdy]

Ron as transgender? Yeah I would be interested in the reasoning for that too.

I know there is a really great theory that Hagrid is a trans woman because she has a really maternal feel around her beasts (calls herself mummy) and takes kinda a maternal role with Harry. I am not explaining it well but for anyone who is interested just PM me, I can link a podcast that came up with the headcanon.

The only similar headcanon I have personally is Metamorphmagus are gender fluid but I don’t think that’s quite the same. I just think if you can change so much of your appearance at will it makes you more fluid when it comes to gender expression.

 

[defenderofberk]

Ron as transgender? Yeah I would be interested in the reasoning for that too.

That will require you to stop ignoring me for five minutes

 

[rae2nerdy]

Ooh another thing I forgot earlier re:pens/pencils,

Why are they not using notebooks for note taking? At least those raised in muggle world. I expect it would be cheaper and more effective way to keep their ideas in order. Like I mean sure fine the homework is in parchment for uniformity. But like y’all don’t got lined notebooks for note taking? I call shenanigans.

And those bulky trunks they want kids to lug around behind them when we KNOW they can make little briefcases that have extra space.

 

[defenderofberk]

And those bulky trunks they want kids to lug around behind them when we KNOW they can make little briefcases that have extra space.

It's probably to build character, if you make a child's life too easy they can become spoilt and decadent. Also most of them will have to live amongst muggles so they likely want to get them used to the idea that you can't just whip out your wand and summon that cup of coffee to you in broad daylight.

 

[Delinquent]

I don't, I'd just think he'd say he is for the attention and validation. It's been shockingly prevelant in schools, especially secondary schools for the last few years.

There's a lot to unpack here but let's just throw away the whole fucking suitcase.

 

[defenderofberk]

There's a lot to unpack here but let's just throw away the whole fucking suitcase.

You can pm me about it if you're interested, but I would ask you to tone back the foul language.

 

[rae2nerdy]

You can pm me about it if you're interested, but I would ask you to tone back the foul language.

Please stop attempting to start fights on my thread. If you continue to do so I will report you to the Staff.

 

[defenderofberk]

Please stop attempting to start fights on my thread. If you continue to do so I will report you to the Staff.

I'm not? I told him to pm me if he had further comments, which would take it out of this thread completely.

 

[rae2nerdy]

I'm not? I told him to pm me if he had further comments, which would take it out of this thread completely.

I was talking about your transphobic comments. These are comments that have no purpose on this thread other than to start arguments and stir divisiveness. I ask that you do not post any such content in the future. You are welcome to your personal opinions on transgender individuals but you will not post them on this thread.

In case you are unclear this specific comment is transphobic
I don't, I'd just think he'd say he is for the attention and validation. It's been shockingly prevelant in schools, especially secondary schools for the last few years.

If you wish to create your own headcanon thread to share such views you are of course welcome to do so. I ask that you do not bring them to mine.

 

[defenderofberk]

I was talking about your transphobic comments. These are comments that have no purpose on this thread other than to start arguments and stir divisiveness. I ask that you do not post any such content in the future. You are welcome to your personal opinions on transgender individuals but you will not post them on this thread.

In case you are unclear this specific comment is transphobic
I don't, I'd just think he'd say he is for the attention and validation. It's been shockingly prevelant in schools, especially secondary schools for the last few years.

If you wish to create your own headcanon thread to share such views you are of course welcome to do so. I ask that you do not bring them to mine.

Stating an objective fact is not transphobic, but I will try not to bring it up in future. However I would appreciate it if you would declare what people are allowed to disagree with on your thread.

 

[Jannah]

Stating an objective fact is not transphobic, but I will try not to bring it up in future. However I would appreciate it if you would declare what people are allowed to disagree with on your thread.

Feel free to PM me. I'm actually curious to hear your views on this.

 

[Hella Downweather]

I just saw you updated your description and now accept fic recommendations

Here is easily one of my favorites Harry Potter and the lack of lamb sauce. It starts off as something really more fluffy/slice of life in introducing Gordon Ramsay as the 6th year Potion teacher instead of Slughorn, and it really puts light on some minor characters/overlooked characters. It starts with Ron as the main focus (which is kinda rare to see well written), and it's really endearing, but as the plot progresses towards the rise of Voldemort it becomes angsty and really knows how to pull your heartstrings.

Really recommend

 

[rae2nerdy]

Stating an objective fact is not transphobic, but I will try not to bring it up in future. However I would appreciate it if you would declare what people are allowed to disagree with on your thread.

I have updated the front page but for future reference just because you think something is “objective fact” does not in fact make it less divisive or hurtful.

If you are ever unclear imagine you are the group being discussed. Would you be okay with Ron identifying as DefenderofBerk just to get a rise out of Harry and Hermione? Would you be okay if people said DefenderofBerk should remain enslaved because you like cleaning houses?

 

[defenderofberk]

I have updated the front page but for future reference just because you think something is “objective fact” does not in fact make it less divisive or hurtful.

If you are ever unclear imagine you are the group being discussed. Would you be okay with Ron identifying as DefenderofBerk just to get a rise out of Harry and Hermione? Would you be okay if people said DefenderofBerk should remain enslaved because you like cleaning houses?

As a woman I am saying he'd be identifying as part of my gender to get a rise out of his friends (although I think he'd actually do it to get validation from his parents).

Actually we need to call this out if we want to help the trans community gain more acceptance. We need to call out the people doing it as part of a social trend, or for attention, or for other reasons so we can focus on the genuine people struggling with their identity. I am not against people's freedom to live how they choose; I'm against people taking advantage and that is what you are seeing in schools.

 

[Hella Downweather]

defenderofberk

A bit far fetched lore wise, since we have never seen Ron lie or even tried to take the credit from his friends on all the shenanigans they have been doing. The little group have been through enough with Lockhart than to try and do something similar for attention imo, so I don't think he'd try anything like this.

And for the second part of your argument...Well it is very flawed to say the least, and I have a pretty good example to showcase this, the statistics of sexual assault.

Now, the parallels.

Coming out as trans and denouncing an abuser are two very difficult things to do, in their own ways, and leads to the person coming out or the victim to face a lot of potential backlash. When we started to doubt victims, telling them they were faking it for attention, or we gas-lighted them, sure we may have stopped one or two false claims (plus false claims makes up 2-7% of all claims depending on which study you look at...so it isn't really substantial - source), but it lead to a situation where up to 63% of all sexual assault went unreported (same source) mostly because of fear of the abuser and fear of being called out as faking it. In my time working in a court of law, I've seen plenty of statement of victims who were really unsure whether they wanted to go through the process or not, in fear of being called out for "wanting attention".

It isn't our job to decide whether someone who claims to have been sexually assaulted is doing it for attention and calling her/him out, it is the justice system job.

Similarly, it isn't our job to decide whether someone is claiming to be trans for attention, especially in young children, it is their psychologist job to ensure that, not only if they are suffering from body dysphoria and give them the help they need and in the case they aren't, to give them the support they may need and explain to them why it isn't ok to do so.

Calling out people that identify themselves as trans because you think they are doing it for attention will probably lead to other seeing it and being afraid in turn to come out. Even if their current lifestyle is harming them psychologically. Similarly, your views in a seemingly innocuous hp headcanon thread, can lead the people to a false sense of safety, only to see people seemingly mocking them/doubting the veracity of kids claiming to be trans. I don't think you mean to hurt people, but your words can have that effect on vulnerable people, you never know what the person reading you is going through.

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Wholesome HP headcanons :

-I totally see magical friendship bracelet, a bit like mood bracelet, that changes color if your friend is sad, depressed, angry, happy, etc...
-Tea wise...just imagine all the different flavors possible with magic. A tea that plays a delicate music as you drink it, to put you in the mood for reading, a tea that will ALWAYS be at the best temperature to be drunk and so much more!
-I'm sad we didn't much of magical clothings. Like never ripping stockings, heated summer dresses so that you don't have to look like a layered potato during winter or even self washing/always clean clothes!

 

[rae2nerdy]

Wholesome HP headcanons :

-I totally see magical friendship bracelet, a bit like mood bracelet, that changes color if your friend is sad, depressed, angry, happy, etc...
-Tea wise...just imagine all the different flavors possible with magic. A tea that plays a delicate music as you read it, to put you in the mood for reading, a tea that will ALWAYS be at the best temperature to be drunk and so much more!
-I'm sad we didn't much of magical clothings. Like never ripping stockings, heated summer dresses so that you don't have to look like a layered potato during winter or even self washing/always clean clothes!

Ooh that is so cool, also maybe a similar thing to the friendship bracelet can be like a charm bracelet for parents? Kind of a wearable version of the Weasley clock? Like oh I know if my kid has a fever or is feeling scared or is into trouble. Depending on which color the charm turns. Or maybe each charm means something different and it changes color to represent your kids.

Also like I have so many thoughts on clothes. I feel like because it's kind of all just school uniforms in the books we don't get any kind of creativity. I have an idea that you can raise specific magical plants/animals that will help you knit specific types of clothes. And that you can absolutely add spells to your clothes that make them self-cleaning, anti-wrinkle, heating/cooling,etc. I feel like if you make the clothes by hand you can layer the spells as you go, but if you buy the clothes premade you can't put too many spells without the clothes coming apart.

Also I just kind of love the idea of all these wizard crafters having livestock hidden in their houses and being all "Bah ministry can't regulate what they don't know about." So there is this kind of underground crafter circle that has animals/plants raised for various crafts. And little ole grannies lying to Auror' faces. "Now see here, how DARE you accuse me of breaking the law. Shame on you for accusing a defenseless old lady of bating muggles. For shame."

 

[defenderofberk]

defenderofberk

A bit far fetched lore wise, since we have never seen Ron lie or even tried to take the credit from his friends on all the shenanigans they have been doing. The little group have been through enough with Lockhart than to try and do something similar for attention imo, so I don't think he'd try anything like this.

And for the second part of your argument...Well it is very flawed to say the least, and I have a pretty good example to showcase this, the statistics of sexual assault.

Now, the parallels.

Coming out as trans and denouncing an abuser are two very difficult things to do, in their own ways, and leads to the person coming out or the victim to face a lot of potential backlash. When we started to doubt victims, telling them they were faking it for attention, or we gas-lighted them, sure we may have stopped one or two false claims (plus false claims makes up 2-7% of all claims depending on which study you look at...so it isn't really substantial - source), but it lead to a situation where up to 63% of all sexual assault went unreported (same source) mostly because of fear of the abuser and fear of being called out as faking it. In my time working in a court of law, I've seen plenty of statement of victims who were really unsure whether they wanted to go through the process or not, in fear of being called out for "wanting attention".

It isn't our job to decide whether someone who claims to have been sexually assaulted is doing it for attention and calling her/him out, it is the justice system job.

Similarly, it isn't our job to decide whether someone is claiming to be trans for attention, especially in young children, it is their psychologist job to ensure that, not only if they are suffering from body dysphoria and give them the help they need and in the case they aren't, to give them the support they may need and explain to them why it isn't ok to do so.

Calling out people that identify themselves as trans because you think they are doing it for attention will probably lead to other seeing it and being afraid in turn to come out. Even if their current lifestyle is harming them psychologically. Similarly, your views in a seemingly innocuous hp headcanon thread, can lead the people to a false sense of safety, only to see people seemingly mocking them/doubting the veracity of kids claiming to be trans. I don't think you mean to hurt people, but your words can have that effect on vulnerable people, you never know what the person reading you is going through.

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Wholesome HP headcanons :

-I totally see magical friendship bracelet, a bit like mood bracelet, that changes color if your friend is sad, depressed, angry, happy, etc...
-Tea wise...just imagine all the different flavors possible with magic. A tea that plays a delicate music as you drink it, to put you in the mood for reading, a tea that will ALWAYS be at the best temperature to be drunk and so much more!
-I'm sad we didn't much of magical clothings. Like never ripping stockings, heated summer dresses so that you don't have to look like a layered potato during winter or even self washing/always clean clothes!

That's why I said if it had the climate of 2020 and during the forth year, as he was kinda a dick for large parts of that book. Also it's based on my own personal experience where I was friends with a teen somewhat like Ron (low self confidence, felt his female siblings were loved more than him, had more academically successful female friends, wasn't very popular, felt ignored by his parents) who declared himself transgender despite saying he didn't have dysphoria. Five of the most dysfunctional kids in class then followed suit in the following month. You don't seriously expect me to believe that five kids in a class of thirty, none of which claimed to have gender dysphoria, were truly transgender? And if they are, then you have to say that transgenderism (for some at least) is a choice, which means we can criticise it the same way as any other lifestyle choice. I believe there should be a clear difference between the people suffering from gender dysphoria so they can get genuine help and be accepted by society and the kids jumping on it without even claiming to have dysphoria.

You will always get some people who take advantage of a system, including with sexual assaults. And yes, most of the time it should be left up to the courts. But sometimes a story is so ridiculous, so silly, that people should call it out rather than just instantly believing the victim. If we cannot differentiate between a genuine assault and a clumsy move or a regretted encounter, it tarnishes genuine sexual attacks.

If as a society we cannot look at people blatantly taking advantage from the genuinely struggling people, nothing will ever get done to forward their rights. Yes, it is often shades of grey, but sometimes people are so obvious that they should be called out to stop others from doing the same. It's not okay to claim to be transgender without dysphoria, it's like claiming to need a wheelchair when you're perfectly healthy.

I like your ideas though, they're pretty cool. I always imagined they'd be able to do great hairstyles with the aid of magic.

 

[Hella Downweather]

Then I think we will agree to disagree on that point for three main reasons.

1- I don't think anyone but a psychologist with her client should be the judge whether someone really suffers from Dysphoria or not. Same as I don't think anyone should be the judge except a trained psychologist to determine if someone suffers from depression, anxiety or other mental illnesses.

2- I'd rather have 2-7% people taking advantage of the system than risking 63% people that needs said system not using it/not being able to use it due to high restrictions. It can be said for trans people, victims of crime or unemployment benefits.

3- I am fervently against bullying, in any forms. Even if I find the claims ridiculous, it has been shown that bullying/calling out people who disagree with you will only make them more closed minded to your ideas, so for me doing so isn't the answer. The same reason why I try to engage with you in the most of my objective capacities, even if it is obvious that we have really different political leanings and ideology.

Also, the people in your class should have received help, from what I hope is a trained psychologist, to assess their situation and if found not suffering from Dysphoria, explain to them why faking it is bad. From what you told, we are talking about kids, of course they will push the boundaries, especially towards a subject as nebulous as transgender people and sexual dysphoria. But it is not your job to go confront these kid and tell them that they are faking everything for clout. Sure it's frustrating, but gently suggesting that they go and consult (since it is free in England for youth after all) to help them with the process will do a lot more than calling them fake in front of everyone.

Now if you still want to engage with me on the subject, or anything that you'd like to debate with, you are free to send me a message. I swear I'm as calm and polite in private that I am in public Because we are kinda railroading what was otherwise a pretty wholesome HP thread.

HP HEADCANONS - So that I participate a bit here too

-Petrified food. You cast the spell as it is finished cooking, and undo it when you are ready to eat. Tadaaaa you always have food that seems to be out of the oven!
-Wizard reality tv shows. Just think of it for a minute...Sure we have our cooking shows, but imagine 'Muggle undercover' where a wizard must live for 6 months without being spotted by the local muggle community in a small village...or 'The next chaser' where a few chaser hopeful are competing for a spot in one of the best quidditch team in the world...so many possibilities x.x

 

[Delinquent]

You can pm me about it if you're interested,

Nah, can't say I'm interested in transphobic bullshit.

Also it's based on my own personal experience where I was friends with a teen somewhat like Ron (low self confidence, felt his female siblings were loved more than him, had more academically successful female friends, wasn't very popular, felt ignored by his parents) who declared himself transgender despite saying he didn't have dysphoria.

Oh, well if it's based on a personal anecdote then it's clearly 100% factual.

 

[rae2nerdy]

IRL Gender roles tend to be justified largely by religion or physicality. So God made men to do X and women to do Y. Or men are physically stronger than women so they do the manual labor and women do the domestic work.

There does not seem to be any such gender divide in the wizarding world. The occupations we see mentioned (with multiple representatives) all have no bias to any one gender. There are male and female shopkeepers, ministry workers, reporters, teachers, Quidditch players, and healers. There is no clearly gendered magic taught in schools. No point where Draco or Pansy or even Ron say "Oh that's girl magic." or "This is manly magic."

Occupations seem to be based on your test scores (already went over what I think about that). But at least they don't seem to be based on your gender in any significant way. It's based entirely on the classes your good at and the kind of magic (presumably) you can learn.

In addition, wizards don't really do manual labor. They aren't physically lifting stuff, they are using magic to lift things. When defending themselves they don't use weapons but spells. So I think that the idea that men are physically stronger than women wouldn't really matter either. Since there just aren't any manual labor type jobs in the magical world.

 

[rae2nerdy]

So another question for the masses : do you have any crossover headcanons you would like to share? (working on a project for later in the summer and am curious if I am the only one interested in crossovers)

So an example of a crossover headcanon would be ;

Harry and Clark Kent are cousins. Martha was Lily’s mom’s sister. So Clark and Lily were first cousins and Harry and Clark are second cousins. (You can expand beyond this of course it’s just an example)