god bloods raising essence

magnificentmomo

magnificentmomo

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I swear this should be the last fae related topic I post for awhile. I know that when ghost bloods reach essence 4 they become ghosts, so wouldn't it make sense for a fae blood to become fae at essence 4 if they were in the bordermarches at the time or something to that effect?
 
Not really. The Fae-Blooded just have some of the appearance and powers of the Fae. But they are still humans, with souls and so forth.
 
I can see what you mean, but in the fae book they mention that the human soul doesn't look too different than the fae's mass of graces and essence. And raising essence that high, especially for a mortal, is accomplished by meditating on the source of your power and how you control it. So it just seemed like the logical step to me. You become so in tune with the source of your essence you shed your mortal form and re-birth yourself as a raksha, but this would only happen in the wyld.
 
magnificentmomo said:
I swear this should be the last fae related topic I post for awhile. I know that when ghost bloods reach essence 4 they become ghosts
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They do? How is that different from dropping dead?
 
I don't have my book with me, but they skip the pull oh lethe. They just become ghosts, there is probably more to it. Check the player's companion or whatever.
 
Flagg said:
magnificentmomo said:
I swear this should be the last fae related topic I post for awhile. I know that when ghost bloods reach essence 4 they become ghosts
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They do? How is that different from dropping dead?
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When they hit essence 4, the process kills them and they become ghosts with essence 4.  It's in the 1st Ed player's guide.


It's the only way any "god-blood" can hit essence 4 excepting actual god-bloods who become endowed with full divinity.  Half-castes, fae-bloods, demon-bloods are stuck at essence 3.
 
I vaguely remember that a Half-Caste who is Endowed at Essence 3 gets a really strong recommendation for Exaltation and a Demon-Blooded with Essence 4 transforms into a component soul of the parent demon... Though I don't have the 1E PG to confirm this.
 
Uh, I always thought that demon blooded become first circle demons and god blooded become minor gods. Everyone else just stays the same.
 
*checks the Player's Guide* Well, according to the sidebar on page 49, only Ghost-Blooded may surpass the limit of 3, though doing so inevitably kills them and turns them into Essence 4 Ghosts. None of the others can ever increase beyond 3.


However, a God Endowing someone to Essence 4 can certainly make them a God, IIRC, so thus there are other possibilities. I'd be surprised if a demon couldn't do something similar. *shrugs*
 
Nu-uh! Player's handbook, my man. Via Endowment, God-Blooded -> Gods. Demon-Blooded -> Demons, Ghost-Blooded -> Dead Ghosts, Fae-Blooded -> Some other form of Endowment.


Half-Castes are more complicated. Celestial Half-Castes get a "strong recommendation" for Exaltation and can be turned into gods with Heaven's approval. Terrestrial Half-Castes get a new check for Exaltation. Abyssal Half-Castes get a different kind like Fae-Blooded do.
 
Dracogryff said:
However, a God Endowing someone to Essence 4 can certainly make them a God, IIRC, so thus there are other possibilities. I'd be surprised if a demon couldn't do something similar. *shrugs*
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Would he then be bound to Malfeas just like any other demon or would he be free :twisted: ? And which second (or third) circle demon would he be part of?
 
*shrugs* My answer to that would be, yes, sort of. At least until someone banished them or killed them, they'd be able to roam Creation...but after something like that happened, well, sorry, they're stuck in Malfeas now until summoned or other such.


As to the other, well, which one Endowed (or demonic equivalent) them? That'd be the one. *nods*


I like the KISS philosophy for most things. And it seems straightforward enough to me, anyhow. :)
 
Jukashi said:
Nu-uh! Player's handbook, my man. Via Endowment, God-Blooded -> Gods. Demon-Blooded -> Demons, Ghost-Blooded -> Dead Ghosts, Fae-Blooded -> Some other form of Endowment.
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I just read that section.

Changelings given Essence beyond 3 instead receive the effects of another type of Endowment decided by the ST.
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What exactly are the kinds of Endowments you would give your Changeling? Are there a series of Endowment charms I have missed or are you just supposed to make something up?
 
Dracogryff said:
*shrugs* My answer to that would be, yes, sort of. At least until someone banished them or killed them, they'd be able to roam Creation...but after something like that happened, well, sorry, they're stuck in Malfeas now until summoned or other such.
As to the other, well, which one Endowed (or demonic equivalent) them? That'd be the one. *nods*


I like the KISS philosophy for most things. And it seems straightforward enough to me, anyhow. :)
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Book says otherwise.  They get sucked into Malfeas.  And killing a First Circle demon doesn't give a return ticket to Malfeas, they just die.  Being bumped to Essence of 4 as a Demon-Blooded turns you into a First Circle, no matter what Circle your parent was.  Page 81.
 
But you must retain your freewill no ?


I mean it would suck totally suck to be a demon blooded otherwise...


- you have some weirds physical traits


- one of your parents is a demon


- the more powerful you become, the closer to your demon side you get


- when you reach essence 4 (which actually should make you a badass) you become a 1st circle demon, loose your soul, and become a slave of the Yozis...


No more Dante for Exalted...


Is there a mean to suppress or at least contain the demon side ? dunno something like an exorcism...
 
Dracogryff said:
*shrugs* My answer to that would be, yes, sort of. At least until someone banished them or killed them, they'd be able to roam Creation...but after something like that happened, well, sorry, they're stuck in Malfeas now until summoned or other such.
As to the other, well, which one Endowed (or demonic equivalent) them? That'd be the one. *nods*


I like the KISS philosophy for most things. And it seems straightforward enough to me, anyhow. :)
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Book says otherwise.  They get sucked into Malfeas.  And killing a First Circle demon doesn't give a return ticket to Malfeas, they just die.  Being bumped to Essence of 4 as a Demon-Blooded turns you into a First Circle, no matter what Circle your parent was.  Page 81.
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*shrugs* Never said they'd be more than a first circle myself, and assumed it would be the case. I've not studied demons in the slightest, and so my knowledge is less than complete on them. *shrugs* In the games I've been in it's been mentioned they go back to Malfeas...I could have misheard though...we don't deal in them overmuch. If they die, then they die, I guess. And if you want them to be sucked into Malfeas, then that works too...I was just trying to be at least slightly fair to PCs who did get such. Personally, I'm not likely to have 'em going over 3 anyhow, so it's really mostly a moot point...ah well.
 
Thing is... If such a demon gets sucked back to Malfeas, the total number of demons DOES change, and thus the Yozis DO grow more powerful, even if only slightly. Could that be enough to change their "identity" enough so that their bond no longer is effective?


I don't think it works that way, i'm just wondering if, mechanically, something as stupid as that would be enough to blow creation to smithereens...


Yes I do realize I just used "enough" three times in two lines. I just can't get enough of that word! It's like "smithereens"... God I love that word... "C'est comme se torcher le cul avec de la soie!"- Merovingian
 
Demons have free will.  Where does it say they don't?


Didn't two Second Circle demons get excecuted for treachery in Malfeas (Akianshi's parents were excecuted and she was bathed in their blood, making her a Second Circle Demon)?


(Times of Tumult, Pp. 118, first column, first few paragraphs)


And Liger isn't exactly following the boss' plans, what with the liking of Creation and all.


Though you do have to deal with the occasional parental possession thing.  Unless you can find a way around that bit.
 
Torak said:
Thing is... If such a demon gets sucked back to Malfeas, the total number of demons DOES change, and thus the Yozis DO grow more powerful, even if only slightly. Could that be enough to change their "identity" enough so that their bond no longer is effective?
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I didn't think 1st circle demons really had any significant ties to the higher souls, unlike 2nd/3rd circle demons. Just a bunch of autonomous little monsters running about, so it shouldn't measurably change the Yozis cage. Or am I mistaken?
 
magnificentmomo said:
You have free will, but you also have that pesky summoning and binding to deal with.
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Yeah...but so do some godblooded with the right flaw anyhow. When you count as mom/dad magically...no reason their summoning flaws aren't among them.
 
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