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To be fair though, there is no rule that says servants can't be summoned as a pair, so long as that pair qualifies as a single servant. Heck, Hassan of a hundred faces has like 50 selves all summoned at once (though admittedly, they are all the same person). A servant's legend is vital to the way to in which they manifest in the Holy Grail war, producing such results as hassan's multiple bodies, Dracula transformation and Artemis being summoned in Orion's stead, so provided the legend is such that the hypothetical twin servants are too intrinsically tied to be summoned one without the other, I think it would be fair for them to be summoned as twin servants. And this is even if we assume that the aforementioned pair Anne and Mary is not necessarily summoned as a pair in a normal Holy Grail war
 
Idea said:
To be fair though, there is no rule that says servants can't be summoned as a pair, so long as that pair qualifies as a single servant. Heck, Hassan of a hundred faces has like 50 selves all summoned at once (though admittedly, they are all the same person). A servant's legend is vital to the way to in which they manifest in the Holy Grail war, producing such results as hassan's multiple bodies, Dracula transformation and Artemis being summoned in Orion's stead, so provided the legend is such that the hypothetical twin servants are too intrinsically tied to be summoned one without the other, I think it would be fair for them to be summoned as twin servants. And this is even if we assume that the aforementioned pair Anne and Mary is not necessarily summoned as a pair in a normal Holy Grail war
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The thing is the only time there's "multiple" servants is, as you explained, when they're the same person. It isn't multiple servants, it's different aspects of the same servant. The only time there's been a proper multiple servant summon is Saber in the third war, and that's cuz their master's had a cheat. Hassan is simply his noble phantasm, same as Iskander. They aren't multiple servants, just their NP. Third war saber is the only time there's been a proper double-summon, and it had nothing to do with the servant themselves.

Basically, you can only summon one servant. You can be kinda cheeky like Hassan or Iskander, but they're still only one person, one servant.
 
Xel said:
The thing is the only time there's "multiple" servants is, as you explained, when they're the same person. It isn't multiple servants, it's different aspects of the same servant. The only time there's been a proper multiple servant summon is Saber in the third war, and that's cuz their master's had a cheat. Hassan is simply his noble phantasm, same as Iskander. They aren't multiple servants, just their NP. Third war saber is the only time there's been a proper double-summon, and it had nothing to do with the servant themselves.

Basically, you can only summon one servant. You can be kinda cheeky like Hassan or Iskander, but they're still only one person, one servant.
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You can only have one servant yes, yet while it certainly is by no means common no rule states it as impossible for two people to be counted as one servant. And though one could make the case that aside from that example in fate grand order there haven't been any cases of it happening yet, the fact that there was that example in grand order suggests that it may just be possible, even if it doesn't 100% guarantee it's possible.
 
Idea said:
You can only have one servant yes, yet while it certainly is by no means common no rule states it as impossible for two people to be counted as one servant. And though one could make the case that aside from that example in fate grand order there haven't been any cases of it happening yet, the fact that there was that example in grand order suggests that it may just be possible, even if it doesn't 100% guarantee it's possible.
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I disregard everything from grand order other than stats and NP ideas. It ignores 99% of established rules that it's silly to cite it as a source. You can't summon multiple servants, that much is clear. And heroic spirits are people. You can't just say "these two separate, individual people who lived separate lives are now one person". You can split a a heroic spirit, like saber and saber alter, but you can't just summon two separate servants.

You wouldn't even be able to support them without some kind of outside assistance. They make it explicitly clear that a magus can only support one servant, having two full servants would make you end up like Kariya.
 
Xel said:
I disregard everything from grand order other than stats and NP ideas. It ignores 99% of established rules that it's silly to cite it as a source. You can't summon multiple servants, that much is clear. And heroic spirits are people. You can't just say "these two separate, individual people who lived separate lives are now one person". You can split a a heroic spirit, like saber and saber alter, but you can't just summon two separate servants.

You wouldn't even be able to support them without some kind of outside assistance. They make it explicitly clear that a magus can only support one servant, having two full servants would make you end up like Kariya.
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Breaking fate's own rules is hardly exclusive to fate grand order. If you want to fully and totally disregard it as even an indication of a potential direction for the rules, then fine, but I won't. It is a cannon source. That said, I won't give it full credibility either. But in a situation like this where there isn't a definitive statement about the possibility or lack thereof of something, even fate/grand order is viable enough to tilt the otherwise mostly balanced scales.

Heroic spirits are heroes and legends from the past. The legend can alter the details of their manifestation. Two separate people can summon as separate entities that count as one entity. They aren't actually being fused, they are just counted as one. That's how, I think, it would work. Naturally each of those would be weaker and thus require less mana, than a normal servant. Much like each hassan is considerably weaker than a regular servant, thus Tohsaka not being a dry mummy before the backstabbing
 
Idea said:
Breaking fate's own rules is hardly exclusive to fate grand order. If you want to fully and totally disregard it as even an indication of a potential direction for the rules, then fine, but I won't. It is a cannon source. That said, I won't give it full credibility either. But in a situation like this where there isn't a definitive statement about the possibility or lack thereof of something, even fate/grand order is viable enough to tilt the otherwise mostly balanced scales.

Heroic spirits are heroes and legends from the past. The legend can alter the details of their manifestation. Two separate people can summon as separate entities that count as one entity. They aren't actually being fused, they are just counted as one. That's how, I think, it would work. Naturally each of those would be weaker and thus require less mana, than a normal servant. Much like each hassan is considerably weaker than a regular servant, thus Tohsaka not being a dry mummy before the backstabbing
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The reason I'm disregarding it is because it's simply not applicable. FGO already throws out ALL rules regarding servants because of the setting. You can have entire teams of servants, so having two servants means nothing there. That's simply not something relatable to a holy grail war. There's simply not even a shred of evidence to suggest that two separate people can be one heroic spirit. And that's how it'd HAVE to work since you can only summon one heroic spirit. How it works in FGO is irrelevant because FGO operates by it's own rules, not HGW rules.

The only way to get two separate servants is to take up two of the seven slots. Otherwise the most you can do is split the aspects of a single heroic spirit.

In short, you can only ever summon one heroic spirit, whether you break that heroic spirit into parts (saber and saber alter, or hassan) doesn't matter because it's all still part of one single heroic spirit. What you're suggesting is summoning two separate heroic spirits simply because they were closely related in their legend. And that isn't possible.

To reiterate, using anything from FGO other than stats and NP ideas is dumb because FGO is it's own separate entity with it's own separate rules. FGO only applies to RPs in an FGO setting. For a normal HGW setting you should be looking exclusively at FSN and F/Z. Apocrypha has it's own rules, strange/fake has it's own rules, FGO has it's own rules, and Extra has it's own rules. Just because it works one way in one of them doesn't mean it works that way in all of them.
 
Well, if anyone wants a Caster, I'm up for it. Otherwise, well, I'll go with the random :P

I'll have mine ready soon!
 
Alright, everyone's here. This is the CS, please have them sent ASAP so we can start. I'll be working on the opening post =))
 
Xel said:
A badass roman dude, mostly. It's odd how you can find six trillion cool knights, but romans are few and far between.
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That's unfortunately pretty true.

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And if girls would do:
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And this one isn't really anime but...
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