QuirkyAngel
White Masquerade's Blue Oni
Hm, alright then. I probably just don't feel any tension cause I'm dense like that.
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Hm, alright then. I probably just don't feel any tension cause I'm dense like that.
LostHaven
Loser's queue is real and it's coming for you.
HAHAHAHA! FOOL! YOUR SCRIPTURES AMOUNT TO NOTHINGXel
LostHaven Stop your bickering at once! The Arms of Shani do not wish for this conflict and bid it stop. We preach love, not war. Harmony, not Dominance. Acceptance, not enforcement. After all, it says in our holy texts (The Book Of Shani) Yuri: 11: 8-9
8: And should Shani come unto your door and knock upon them, saying let me in that we may lay together, and you and you answer and open your doors unto her; verily she will take you into her arms and her arms will be gentle and full of love.
9: But should Shani come unto your door and knock upon them, saying let me in that we may lay together, and you neither answer nor open your doors unto her: verily she will leave from your door and no ill will shall be left behind.
If one does not wish to come to Shani's arms then let them go in peace, as it is not the Crimson Wifu's way to force her affections upon those unwilling. But neither should those who choose not to follow pity those that enter into her embrace, for within her arms is found peace and protection.
THY FATE ART SEALED, FOOL! NOW DANCE, DEAR BERSERKER OF LIGHT! DANCE TO THE WHEELS OF FATE THAT WILL BETRAY YOU! YOUR DEAR CASTER OF LIGHT IS NAUGHT BUT A VESSEL THROUGH WHICH I WILL TORMENT HER AND HER FRIENDS FOR MY OWN ENTERTAINMENT!
BWAHAHAHAHA
It's more that I sometimes start drama for fun because I'm bored.
Ian Temero
Knight of Swords
Ian Temero
Knight of Swords
It will be the plot of one episode in the OVA / Carnival Phantasm thing we were talking about before. The characters breaking the forth wall and fighting their creators to save their freind.
QuirkyAngel
White Masquerade's Blue Oni
I'd tag you before that happens.
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...so you aren't annoyed by the topic?
LostHaven
Loser's queue is real and it's coming for you.
Weak-willed worms! I will await thee beyond the fourth reality! Bwahahaha!
Hits head on table by accident
Huh??? Oh, sorry, irl me just got a bit wild. DW, I'm not actually evil enough to do any of that. Honest.
: )
LostHaven
Loser's queue is real and it's coming for you.
Hmm... It's more that I've gotten bored of of it so I'm kind of tempted to spark something up.
I'm an asshole, I know xD
Ian Temero
Knight of Swords
LostHaven
Loser's queue is real and it's coming for you.
Shit! He's not buying it! Execute Operation: Hold Caster Hostage!
QuirkyAngel
White Masquerade's Blue Oni
I certainly don't think so. If a topic bores you or makes you uncomfortable, it's better to let it be known.
I'm an introvert so small talk /superficial conversations tend to bore me.
Prince_
Member
Welp. Wish me luck, gotta wake up at 5:45 tomorrow just to arrive in time for an activity to last me the whole day... hiking chest high in water in the mangroves. Yaaay.
QuirkyAngel
White Masquerade's Blue Oni
Best of luck.
Xel
The Paladin
Sasaki Kojiro existed, Assassin didn't. He was just some rando who received powers based on Kojiro's legend. It goes back to the whole thing where servants have a LOT of abilities and powers they never had in life due to their legends. Caster was able to summon a fake servant that had powers and abilities based on Kojiro, despite not actually BEING Kojiro. It's basically the same thing as Mash in FGO having Galahad's abilities despite not being Galahad, this was allowed because of Caster's NP.
As for your last rapid-fire questions I'll just skip the last. Creepypasta characters, and other fictional ones, don't work because they are patently proveably false with zero basis in reality. You're right that a lot of mythical beings are fictional, but those myths are based on someone and something. It's like the often cited "Jesus was a real man who really lived, he just wasn't the son of christ". These people ACTUALLY existed, just not necessarily in the way their stories portray them. But Slenderman never existed, it isn't merely an embellished story being retold for centuries and being warped because of it. It's objectively, proveably, fake. As I mentioned, to summon a servant you need a soul to ascribe the legend to. Kojiro ACTUALLY existed, he was a farmer in the area, just some rando nobody, his soul existed and thus the grail molded the legend of kojiro around him. Who would you mold the slenderman legend around? Nobody. Because it can't just be ANY soul, it has to be close to/related to the source. Like how Jack was the soul of the kids killed.
You can't prove Hercules never existed. You can categorically prove Slenderman doesn't exist, or Master Chief, or Sonic, or Naruto. Basically, it's the difference between embellished stories and fictional ones. Embellished stories have a kernel of truth at their center, fictional ones don't. And you can't summon something that never existed to begin with.
There's a special process, a ritual, that allows the transferral of command seals. Only overseers know it. Since Kotomine was being groomed to be the next overseer he knew it and used it to take the command seals. Grail played no part, dude just used a program to enact a specific function programmed into the grail.
Xel
The Paladin
You don't feel any tension because there is none to feel, it's just you learning the rules of the Grail War and me explaining them. There's as much tension here as there is in math class.
LostHaven
Loser's queue is real and it's coming for you.
Everything's on the Typemoon wiki as well. It's also worth giving that a glance if unsure about stuff.
LostHaven
Loser's queue is real and it's coming for you.
Gross over-exaggeration, I assure you. It can't be scarier than me on Ike/Lucina while on four cans of energy drinks.
QuirkyAngel
White Masquerade's Blue Oni
This I didn't know. But it makes sense now why Kojiro was referred to as a fictional Servant. Rather than fictional, I'd just call him not a real Servant. I mean, if his soul is that of a rando dude and not a heroic spirit...
I understand the soul requirement. It's just difficult for me to differentiate between the ones that 'can't be proved to never exist' vs the ones that 'can't be proved to exist'.
Slenderman feels like fictional folklore to me. If someone came and told me that their oc Servant Slenderman was based on an exaggerated tale of a murderer that existed (spread through the internet), I'd almost believe them.
Naruto and sonic I can understand saying no to =P
But with many fairy tales...I don't know. For me, they are all fictional. But a person could also argue there's a kernel of truth to some of them...and how could I argue if Hercules is an example? I mean, yes I can't prove Hercules didn't exist (anymore than I can prove Alice in wonderland didn't exist)...but where's the kernel of truth in Hercules legend? How do I know he's based off of some existing person who had their story embellished? Perhaps the author of Alice in wonderland wrote the story based on his crazy niece who he used to have who was stuck in the 'wonderland' of her head all the time. In that case, Alice could be a Servant...
The requirements for the throne of heroes isn't exactly clear cut either...because it looks like even villains can be in it.
I've been reading a bit...but it to be honest, there's so much stuff, it gets a little confusing.
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Idea
The Pun Tyrant
8d know I'm in one right now... so dreadfully bored
Xel
The Paladin
He was a servant in all practical terms. He operated under all the same mechanics. He just wasn't a proper heroic spirit or summoned by a proper master. Having a NP that literally cheats the system allows for wonky shit.
Frankenstein is the character of a novel, but it falls under the same situation as Sherlock Holmes in that the direct character is fictional, but it's based on a real person. So you get a situation similar to Kojiro or Vlad, where you have the soul of the original person and they're given abilities and powers based on the fictional stories surrounding them. You'll note that Frankenstein isn't a guy, she was a girl, despite the story saying it was a man. The story was based on something that actually happened, but the source event did still happen. And the line is thin, so a good rule of thumb is "only old things". You can embellish frankenstein, you can say it was based on the machinations of some magus, it falls under suspension of disbelief. You bring in MODERN things and we can't ignore, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt it's fake. Hell the author is still alive, you can literally go ask the creator that it's all make believe. You can't do that with Frankenstein's author, so there's the possibility it was based on a true story. The line is really just about suspension of disbelief, and for most anything still living crosses that line. That's why World War 2 is, essentially, the absolute cut-off. Anything more recent than that and we just know too much, it's too fresh in our minds, information is too easily accessible to prove it one way or the other.
Problem is Slenderman falls in the exact same category as Sonic or Naruto, it's equally as fictional, equally as PROVEN fictional. You can literally just go ask the original creator. All the players know, for a fact, it's fake. There's no ability for suspension of disbelief. Allowing Slenderman would be like allowing Master Chief as Archer. It ruins the experience. Like I said, we can suspend our disbelief and accept that Frankenstein was a magus who created a homuncullus, after all such things already exist in Fate. It's far harder to accept something like Slenderman since we know it's fake, it's only a few years old, and it's author is still alive and can tell us it's fake.
This is why it's ultimately up to the GM and players. Because as you said, they're all fictional, so it comes down to what we're willing to accept in this alt-history that is Fate. It has magic and shit, suspension of disbelief is paramount to enjoying it. But how much disbelief are we meant to suspend? It's pretty easy to accept that Hercules actually existed in a world where dragons and magic actually existed. It's less easy to accept that Slenderman or Katniss Everdeen are real people who actually did anything resembling their fables. Also in your Alice example, she wouldn't be a servant because she was just a crazy kid with a story written about her.
The Throne of Heroes is, basically, where legendary souls go. Despite the name it has nothing to do with good or evil. It's simply powerful souls that transcended humanity, essentially. Their great deeds made their mark on history and helped them reach the throne of heroes. Hence why Alice in your example wouldn't be eligible as a summon. She didn't do anything, she wasn't a great soul, just a crazy kid who's uncle wrote a book based on her delusions. That's part of why all servants are mythical beings, because their souls were powerful and grand enough to go to the throne of heroes. You COULD argue that Alice was, in fact, a very powerful magus closer to the Age of Gods and all her shenanigans were a result of her magic, and thus she was in the throne of heroes and her story would influence her abilities and powers. This is why it always comes down to GM discretion, because most legends can easily be handwaved like that. So it's simply what we're willing to accept.
The wiki contains everything from the Nasuverse. If you just focus solely on FSN stuff it's not that difficult.
Basically, in short, the TL
R is that to be a servant you have be a REAL person who ACTUALLY existed who was above normal humans with a powerful soul that would go to the Throne of Heroes on death. As long as you meet these requirements you can be a servant. And a good rule of thumb is "no modern servants" because while it's easy to handwave old ones, as I just did with Alice, it stumbles into cringey multi-verse fandom territory if you accept modern servants. But that is still at the subjective whim of the GM, because the same handwaving can be done.Edit: Heroic Spirit This might help as well. Mind you this includes stuff from the entirety of the nasuverse, including FGO. So, keep that in mind when reading it.
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The One Eyed Bandit
rotworm
Nasuverse lore has an issue in that it's all flowery and overwritten as hell. A lot of it could be explained with just like, a checklist, honestly. The most important thing to remember is that every rule in the Nasuverse can and will be broken at some point, probably; Which is why it's as convoluted as it is.
Xel
The Paladin
^ This. That's why I actually prefer just telling it to you here rather than send you to the wiki. Cuz not only is it really flowery and overwritten, but as I said certain things contradict one another yet the wiki does a very poor job of separating those things. It'll all read like one coherent system and that's why people say it's confusing. So you have contradictory systems being written in flowery, embellished ways that make it seem like it's all one system.
The One Eyed Bandit
rotworm
Xel
The Paladin
It's not bad as long as you can separate the various aspects of the nasuverse, like I've mentioned. Don't mix them. FGO is it's own contained thing, Extra is it's own contained thing, Tsukihime is it's own contained thing, etc etc. If you do that the lore's actually pretty simple and easy to follow.
The One Eyed Bandit
rotworm
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