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[LostHaven]

xd. Sorry for not posting. I have a test and a quiz tomorrow to study for.

oof.
GLHF!!!

 

[Xel]

The thing is, even the the "normal" grail wars, there's really nothing that says only humans are summoned as Servants.

Medusa (first introduced in Fate Stay) is either a monster or a goddess(in fate lore). Herc is demi-god. In apocrypha, we have Frankenstein and Chiron. If monsters of myth like Frankenstein could be summoned, then it's not entirely farfetched to say that magical animals can be summoned as Servants so long as they've got a place in myth/history. The only hard rule I've seen in "normal" grail wars is no gods. But then, there are certain humans that have been 'deitified' so they are pretty much gods to some people and not to others =/

Regarding the rider class...needing a mount does feel like a sort of requirement to me. Like how Sabers generally have swords, Lancers generally have polearms, and Archers generally have bows, and Berserkers are generally heroes that have gone mad at one point in their lives. Riders would generally have mounts. Yet it's not a hard rule in the sense that Archers don't have to have a bow. Throwing swords is a-okay. In the Servant animal case, Rider doesn't have a mount. They themselves are the mount. Looking at it that way it seems a bit more justifiable...because they kind-of have a mount.

My point though is even in "normal" grail wars, the rules for what counts as Servant isn't really clearly laid out (hence my confusion).



Servants can look however they want. Dwarves don't have to be short, elves don't have to be beautiful, gender can be bent, Servants don't have to look anything like how they're supposed to look like in history/myth. History/Myth not being very accurate is Fate thing...and I've long ago given up on why or how a Servant can do something. Look at Medusa. How or why does she wield a chain?

You're making it more complicated than it actually is. To be eligible as a servant you need to either be A: A soul in the throne of heroes. Or B: An amalgamation created by the Grail loosely based on a soul in the throne of heroes.

The summoned servant is very little like they were in life, gifted far greater power and abilities by the grail than they ever had in life. Saber never shot giant death lasers from her sword in life, that's the mythical power of excalibur made manifest by the grail. Same way that Jack the Ripper wasn't a little loli, it was the Grail giving form to the mythos surrounding Jack. Belief plays a huge role in servants. But the base soul still has to be there. Jack wasn't just some creature whimmed into existence by the grail, it was the soul of some random fuck believed to be Jack and then given form based on the mythos of Jack the Ripper.

But beyond that, the thing you have to remember is that in Fate there is no mythical servants. Hercules ACTUALLY existed, Chiron ACTUALLY existed, Frankenstein and his monster ACTUALLY existed. They are not mere fables, as fictional servants can't be summoned. These were all real people who actually lived, the tales of their life embellished and passed down to form the myths we know. And these real people are then warped by their mythos. The best example is Vlad the Impaler, the grail gave him vampiric shit solely because of his mythos being tied to Dracula, despite him having none of that in life. That's why Chiron could be a centaur, not because he actually WAS a centaur, but because myth made him one so the grail made him one.

In short, the simplest way to understand servants are they were real living people in history that became legendary due to their feats, and the grail uses it's magic to gift them abilities and powers based on those legends and myths. The only truly hard limits on summoning is you can't summon a fictional servant, as the grail has nothing to use, and you can't summon gods as they're too powerful for the grail to give form. So you're right in saying that there's no rule mandating riders have to have a mount, or that an animal is it's own mount, but there's literally no precedent of either of those. EVERY Rider has a mount and there has never been an animal servant acting as it's own mount. So that comes down purely to GM preference.

Edit: To specify on the god bit, being deified or a god isn't the reason you can't be summoned. Your power is. If you're a "god", but you're weak as shit, you can be summoned just fine. It's just a general rule that if you're a god you're FAR more powerful than any mortal and thus way beyond the scope of the grail. Servants like Gil or Hercules basically cap out what the grail is capable of, if you're more powerful than they are you're just beyond the scope of the grail. So it isn't even just Gods, but any entity too powerful. A good way of imagining it is you hav a 10oz cup. Hercules or Gil would fill all 10oz. If you tried to summon Odin, he'd need 20oz to fit, he's too much for the cup, he doesn't fit, thus you can't summon him. So it's less about being a deity and more about your power. The only possible way to summon a god is if either they're just weak as fuck, or they can somehow reduce their power to fit into the grail's container.

 

[LostHaven]

You're making it more complicated than it actually is. To be eligible as a servant you need to either be A: A soul in the throne of heroes. Or B: An amalgamation created by the Grail loosely based on a soul in the throne of heroes.

The summoned servant is very little like they were in life, gifted far greater power and abilities by the grail than they ever had in life. Saber never shot giant death lasers from her sword in life, that's the mythical power of excalibur made manifest by the grail. Same way that Jack the Ripper wasn't a little loli, it was the Grail giving form to the mythos surrounding Jack. Belief plays a huge role in servants. But the base soul still has to be there. Jack wasn't just some creature whimmed into existence by the grail, it was the soul of some random fuck believed to be Jack and then given form based on the mythos of Jack the Ripper.

But beyond that, the thing you have to remember is that in Fate there is no mythical servants. Hercules ACTUALLY existed, Chiron ACTUALLY existed, Frankenstein and his monster ACTUALLY existed. They are not mere fables, as fictional servants can't be summoned. These were all real people who actually lived, the tales of their life embellished and passed down to form the myths we know. And these real people are then warped by their mythos. The best example is Vlad the Impaler, the grail gave him vampiric shit solely because of his mythos being tied to Dracula, despite him having none of that in life. That's why Chiron could be a centaur, not because he actually WAS a centaur, but because myth made him one so the grail made him one.

In short, the simplest way to understand servants are they were real living people in history that became legendary due to their feats, and the grail uses it's magic to gift them abilities and powers based on those legends and myths. The only truly hard limits on summoning is you can't summon a fictional servant, as the grail has nothing to use, and you can't summon gods as they're too powerful for the grail to give form. So you're right in saying that there's no rule mandating riders have to have a mount, or that an animal is it's own mount, but there's literally no precedent of either of those. EVERY Rider has a mount and there has never been an animal servant acting as it's own mount. So that comes down purely to GM preference.

Edit: To specify on the god bit, being deified or a god isn't the reason you can't be summoned. Your power is. If you're a "god", but you're weak as shit, you can be summoned just fine. It's just a general rule that if you're a god you're FAR more powerful than any mortal and thus way beyond the scope of the grail. Servants like Gil or Hercules basically cap out what the grail is capable of, if you're more powerful than they are you're just beyond the scope of the grail. So it isn't even just Gods, but any entity too powerful. A good way of imagining it is you hav a 10oz cup. Hercules or Gil would fill all 10oz. If you tried to summon Odin, he'd need 20oz to fit, he's too much for the cup, he doesn't fit, thus you can't summon him. So it's less about being a deity and more about your power. The only possible way to summon a god is if either they're just weak as fuck, or they can somehow reduce their power to fit into the grail's container.

I'm pretty sure Sasaki Koijiro was a fictional servant.

 

[Idea]

I'm pretty sure Sasaki Koijiro was a fictional servant.

That's true, but caster had an ability that let her break the rules. It is literally called "rule breaker", not sure if it was a skill or her noble phantasm.

Funny how the very first fate series ALREADY is breaking several rules of the holy grail war (taking 6 times less time, antiheroes being summoned, a servant with rule breaking powers, an extra servant in the form of Gil...)

 

[Xel]

I'm pretty sure Sasaki Koijiro was a fictional servant.

As Idea said, Assassin was created by Medea's NP literally called Rule Breaker.

Breaking the rules isn't anything new to Fate. It's just the grail itself wont break those rules normally. It requires some kind of out-side source. Gil lucked out thus allowing him to participate in both wars. Kotomine abusing the system and using unlimited command seals. Medea having a broken NP. The rules can be broken but it requires someone actively breaking them. Even a "the summon was mucked up" wont break the rules. If left to it's own device the Grail will operate as it should. It will NEVER summon a servant that shouldn't exist. It will NEVER break the rules. Only the people in the war can break the rules.

So, basically, if you want to ignore a rule of FSN you need to come up with a reason. Be it the caretakers fucking it, or the Church doing something, or the Clocktower, or some skilled mage, someone somewhere had to make the conscious choice and effort to break the rules, otherwise it wont happen. And as I said, you can't "accidentally" break these rules, it has to be intentional.

 

[LostHaven]

I stopped understanding the whole point of this conversation several hours ago xD

I guess this all started with Rider having no mount, and apparently, that's illegal, lol.

So going on your Jack the Ripper thing, she was this magic ghost murder loli, thought I'd put that out there. Like, it's literally confirmed she's an amalgamation of wraiths of children that were abandoned and left to die in a river by their mothers. The Fate universe also contains a lot of servants who should be fictional, but they decided to go like 'nope, they definitely existed' and poof. Finally, the Age of Gods was an actual thing, so I imagine Chiron was indeed a centaur. If crap like Fafnir actually existed, then stuff like Centaurs, Hellhounds, etc aren't too far off. But it is true that Vlad wasn't a vampire, but was given immense amounts of power as he was fighting on his home turf.

I guess I'll shut myself up soon, I have a tendency to spark up dramas for the fun of it. I guess my point is, Fate lore and nasuverse by extension is very convoluted, complex, but not very clear on some details, so it's up to fans to fill some gaps in. Some fans' beliefs, etc may conflict with others', so yeah. As long as you don't try to force your views and interpretations and views onto people, it's completely fine. In the end, it's completely up to the GM to decide things. I kind of imagine RP's like a game of DnD without dice. The GM is absolute, even if sometimes they might be wrong, they are always right. You can convince them otherwise, but they are always right. There's nothing we can really do if there are gaps and other factors that conflict with canon, etc.

One last thing, FGO has literally been confirmed as canon. Where and when it happens is not clear, but it's canon. That being said, their summon system is based on the holy grail wars', but different. SO, I won't deny that it's possible only Chaldea's system can summon fictional servants or personified concepts.

Alright, I'll shut up now.

 

[LostHaven]

Also, Ian's been on the IC thread for hours now, and it bothers me. I don't know why. But I am bothered by this. Looking at it makes me feel this strange sense of discomfort that can't be described by words. It throws me off... I kind of imagine this guy's profile pic staring soullessly into his computer screen and drooling for several hours straight...

 

[Ian Temero]

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Also, Ian's been on the IC thread for hours now, and it bothers me. I don't know why. But I am bothered by this. Looking at it makes me feel this strange sense of discomfort that can't be described by words. It throws me off... I kind of imagine this guy's profile pic staring soullessly into his computer screen and drooling for several hours straight...

How did you know? Wipes drool.

I just have the tab open while I type up a vision of Shani's past to give Suicune when we do the time skip.

 

[LostHaven]

How did you know? Wipes drool.

I just have the tab open while I type up a vision of Shani's past to give Suicune when we do the time skip.

xD

Shani gets a free dragon ride, while Hakan is leaning to the side and throwing up all his morning's breakfast. xDDD



For some twisted reason, I want to kill Caster and give her the most depressing death ever.

 

[Prince_]

xD

Shani gets a free dragon ride, while Hakan is leaning to the side and throwing up all his morning's breakfast. xDDD



For some twisted reason, I want to kill Caster and give her the most depressing death ever.

Uhh... Poor Caster

Yeah sorry I haven't replied, life can be a bitch when you have obligations.

 

[Xel]

I stopped understanding the whole point of this conversation several hours ago xD

I guess this all started with Rider having no mount, and apparently, that's illegal, lol.

So going on your Jack the Ripper thing, she was this magic ghost murder loli, thought I'd put that out there. Like, it's literally confirmed she's an amalgamation of wraiths of children that were abandoned and left to die in a river by their mothers. The Fate universe also contains a lot of servants who should be fictional, but they decided to go like 'nope, they definitely existed' and poof. Finally, the Age of Gods was an actual thing, so I imagine Chiron was indeed a centaur. If crap like Fafnir actually existed, then stuff like Centaurs, Hellhounds, etc aren't too far off. But it is true that Vlad wasn't a vampire, but was given immense amounts of power as he was fighting on his home turf.

I guess I'll shut myself up soon, I have a tendency to spark up dramas for the fun of it. I guess my point is, Fate lore and nasuverse by extension is very convoluted, complex, but not very clear on some details, so it's up to fans to fill some gaps in. Some fans' beliefs, etc may conflict with others', so yeah. As long as you don't try to force your views and interpretations and views onto people, it's completely fine. In the end, it's completely up to the GM to decide things. I kind of imagine RP's like a game of DnD without dice. The GM is absolute, even if sometimes they might be wrong, they are always right. You can convince them otherwise, but they are always right. There's nothing we can really do if there are gaps and other factors that conflict with canon, etc.

One last thing, FGO has literally been confirmed as canon. Where and when it happens is not clear, but it's canon. That being said, their summon system is based on the holy grail wars', but different. SO, I won't deny that it's possible only Chaldea's system can summon fictional servants or personified concepts.

Alright, I'll shut up now.

Simple bullet points. Let's go.

1: I said Jack was an amalgamation, that's the whole point. You have to have a soul for the Grail to build on, to give you powers.

2: Vlad's NP made him a vampire, it wasn't just home turf that made him strong. The grail gave him vampiric abilities due to his mythos.

3: Fate lore is not convoluted or complex, that's my entire point. People MAKE it convoluted by trying to put everything into the same universe. FGO is canon, but it's canon as a parallel universe. It is NOT the same universe as FSN and F/Z. It's a different universe with it's own rules and it's own system. People try to mix the FGO system with the Apocrypha system with the FSN system, and thus make it unnecessarily convoluted and confusing. It's extremely simple as long as you acknowledge that each different Fate franchise is separate and operates under it's own unique system. If you look JUST at the normal FSN Grail system it's really, really simple. No fictional servants. No godly servants. Only real people can be summoned ("real" in terms of the universe) It's super simple.

Problem is, FGO became popular, lots of fate fans play it, they see "it's canon" and try to blend the two, even though Nasu explicitly stated it's a parallel universe. FGO rules are contradictory and incompatible with FSN rules, and confusion only abounds when people mix them. So don't mix them.

 

[Takumi98]

xD

Shani gets a free dragon ride, while Hakan is leaning to the side and throwing up all his morning's breakfast. xDDD



For some twisted reason, I want to kill Caster and give her the most depressing death ever.

Ah yes, Dragon Sickness, pretty much motion sickness but on a dragon. Shani'd probably have to hold onto him so he doesnt possibly fall.

Hecc if they flew over the ocean and if he fell in and somehow survived the impact he'd sink like a rock.

 

[Takumi98]

Is Shani gonna beat Hakan up for not using a catalyst? Ian Temero

 

[The One Eyed Bandit]

 

[The One Eyed Bandit]

The thing is, even the the "normal" grail wars, there's really nothing that says only humans are summoned as Servants.

Medusa (first introduced in Fate Stay) is either a monster or a goddess(in fate lore). Herc is demi-god. In apocrypha, we have Frankenstein and Chiron. If monsters of myth like Frankenstein could be summoned, then it's not entirely farfetched to say that magical animals can be summoned as Servants so long as they've got a place in myth/history. The only hard rule I've seen in "normal" grail wars is no gods. But then, there are certain humans that have been 'deitified' so they are pretty much gods to some people and not to others =/

Regarding the rider class...needing a mount does feel like a sort of requirement to me. Like how Sabers generally have swords, Lancers generally have polearms, and Archers generally have bows, and Berserkers are generally heroes that have gone mad at one point in their lives. Riders would generally have mounts. Yet it's not a hard rule in the sense that Archers don't have to have a bow. Throwing swords is a-okay. In the Servant animal case, Rider doesn't have a mount. They themselves are the mount. Looking at it that way it seems a bit more justifiable...because they kind-of have a mount.

My point though is even in "normal" grail wars, the rules for what counts as Servant isn't really clearly laid out (hence my confusion).



Servants can look however they want. Dwarves don't have to be short, elves don't have to be beautiful, gender can be bent, Servants don't have to look anything like how they're supposed to look like in history/myth. History/Myth not being very accurate is Fate thing...and I've long ago given up on why or how a Servant can do something. Look at Medusa. How or why does she wield a chain?

You're making it more complicated than it actually is. To be eligible as a servant you need to either be A: A soul in the throne of heroes. Or B: An amalgamation created by the Grail loosely based on a soul in the throne of heroes.

The summoned servant is very little like they were in life, gifted far greater power and abilities by the grail than they ever had in life. Saber never shot giant death lasers from her sword in life, that's the mythical power of excalibur made manifest by the grail. Same way that Jack the Ripper wasn't a little loli, it was the Grail giving form to the mythos surrounding Jack. Belief plays a huge role in servants. But the base soul still has to be there. Jack wasn't just some creature whimmed into existence by the grail, it was the soul of some random fuck believed to be Jack and then given form based on the mythos of Jack the Ripper.

But beyond that, the thing you have to remember is that in Fate there is no mythical servants. Hercules ACTUALLY existed, Chiron ACTUALLY existed, Frankenstein and his monster ACTUALLY existed. They are not mere fables, as fictional servants can't be summoned. These were all real people who actually lived, the tales of their life embellished and passed down to form the myths we know. And these real people are then warped by their mythos. The best example is Vlad the Impaler, the grail gave him vampiric shit solely because of his mythos being tied to Dracula, despite him having none of that in life. That's why Chiron could be a centaur, not because he actually WAS a centaur, but because myth made him one so the grail made him one.

In short, the simplest way to understand servants are they were real living people in history that became legendary due to their feats, and the grail uses it's magic to gift them abilities and powers based on those legends and myths. The only truly hard limits on summoning is you can't summon a fictional servant, as the grail has nothing to use, and you can't summon gods as they're too powerful for the grail to give form. So you're right in saying that there's no rule mandating riders have to have a mount, or that an animal is it's own mount, but there's literally no precedent of either of those. EVERY Rider has a mount and there has never been an animal servant acting as it's own mount. So that comes down purely to GM preference.

Edit: To specify on the god bit, being deified or a god isn't the reason you can't be summoned. Your power is. If you're a "god", but you're weak as shit, you can be summoned just fine. It's just a general rule that if you're a god you're FAR more powerful than any mortal and thus way beyond the scope of the grail. Servants like Gil or Hercules basically cap out what the grail is capable of, if you're more powerful than they are you're just beyond the scope of the grail. So it isn't even just Gods, but any entity too powerful. A good way of imagining it is you hav a 10oz cup. Hercules or Gil would fill all 10oz. If you tried to summon Odin, he'd need 20oz to fit, he's too much for the cup, he doesn't fit, thus you can't summon him. So it's less about being a deity and more about your power. The only possible way to summon a god is if either they're just weak as fuck, or they can somehow reduce their power to fit into the grail's container.

As Idea said, Assassin was created by Medea's NP literally called Rule Breaker.

Breaking the rules isn't anything new to Fate. It's just the grail itself wont break those rules normally. It requires some kind of out-side source. Gil lucked out thus allowing him to participate in both wars. Kotomine abusing the system and using unlimited command seals. Medea having a broken NP. The rules can be broken but it requires someone actively breaking them. Even a "the summon was mucked up" wont break the rules. If left to it's own device the Grail will operate as it should. It will NEVER summon a servant that shouldn't exist. It will NEVER break the rules. Only the people in the war can break the rules.

So, basically, if you want to ignore a rule of FSN you need to come up with a reason. Be it the caretakers fucking it, or the Church doing something, or the Clocktower, or some skilled mage, someone somewhere had to make the conscious choice and effort to break the rules, otherwise it wont happen. And as I said, you can't "accidentally" break these rules, it has to be intentional.

I stopped understanding the whole point of this conversation several hours ago xD

I guess this all started with Rider having no mount, and apparently, that's illegal, lol.

So going on your Jack the Ripper thing, she was this magic ghost murder loli, thought I'd put that out there. Like, it's literally confirmed she's an amalgamation of wraiths of children that were abandoned and left to die in a river by their mothers. The Fate universe also contains a lot of servants who should be fictional, but they decided to go like 'nope, they definitely existed' and poof. Finally, the Age of Gods was an actual thing, so I imagine Chiron was indeed a centaur. If crap like Fafnir actually existed, then stuff like Centaurs, Hellhounds, etc aren't too far off. But it is true that Vlad wasn't a vampire, but was given immense amounts of power as he was fighting on his home turf.

I guess I'll shut myself up soon, I have a tendency to spark up dramas for the fun of it. I guess my point is, Fate lore and nasuverse by extension is very convoluted, complex, but not very clear on some details, so it's up to fans to fill some gaps in. Some fans' beliefs, etc may conflict with others', so yeah. As long as you don't try to force your views and interpretations and views onto people, it's completely fine. In the end, it's completely up to the GM to decide things. I kind of imagine RP's like a game of DnD without dice. The GM is absolute, even if sometimes they might be wrong, they are always right. You can convince them otherwise, but they are always right. There's nothing we can really do if there are gaps and other factors that conflict with canon, etc.

One last thing, FGO has literally been confirmed as canon. Where and when it happens is not clear, but it's canon. That being said, their summon system is based on the holy grail wars', but different. SO, I won't deny that it's possible only Chaldea's system can summon fictional servants or personified concepts.

Alright, I'll shut up now.

Simple bullet points. Let's go.

1: I said Jack was an amalgamation, that's the whole point. You have to have a soul for the Grail to build on, to give you powers.

2: Vlad's NP made him a vampire, it wasn't just home turf that made him strong. The grail gave him vampiric abilities due to his mythos.

3: Fate lore is not convoluted or complex, that's my entire point. People MAKE it convoluted by trying to put everything into the same universe. FGO is canon, but it's canon as a parallel universe. It is NOT the same universe as FSN and F/Z. It's a different universe with it's own rules and it's own system. People try to mix the FGO system with the Apocrypha system with the FSN system, and thus make it unnecessarily convoluted and confusing. It's extremely simple as long as you acknowledge that each different Fate franchise is separate and operates under it's own unique system. If you look JUST at the normal FSN Grail system it's really, really simple. No fictional servants. No godly servants. Only real people can be summoned ("real" in terms of the universe) It's super simple.

Problem is, FGO became popular, lots of fate fans play it, they see "it's canon" and try to blend the two, even though Nasu explicitly stated it's a parallel universe. FGO rules are contradictory and incompatible with FSN rules, and confusion only abounds when people mix them. So don't mix them.

 

[wdinatx]

For some twisted reason, I want to kill Caster and give her the most depressing death ever.

You see, Faffy is a funny character so therefore she has to die in a funny way.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

On the bright side, I'm learning lots more to be a better gm for this rp.

You're making it more complicated than it actually is. To be eligible as a servant you need to either be A: A soul in the throne of heroes. Or B: An amalgamation created by the Grail loosely based on a soul in the throne of heroes.

The summoned servant is very little like they were in life, gifted far greater power and abilities by the grail than they ever had in life. Saber never shot giant death lasers from her sword in life, that's the mythical power of excalibur made manifest by the grail. Same way that Jack the Ripper wasn't a little loli, it was the Grail giving form to the mythos surrounding Jack. Belief plays a huge role in servants. But the base soul still has to be there. Jack wasn't just some creature whimmed into existence by the grail, it was the soul of some random fuck believed to be Jack and then given form based on the mythos of Jack the Ripper.

But beyond that, the thing you have to remember is that in Fate there is no mythical servants. Hercules ACTUALLY existed, Chiron ACTUALLY existed, Frankenstein and his monster ACTUALLY existed. They are not mere fables, as fictional servants can't be summoned. These were all real people who actually lived, the tales of their life embellished and passed down to form the myths we know. And these real people are then warped by their mythos. The best example is Vlad the Impaler, the grail gave him vampiric shit solely because of his mythos being tied to Dracula, despite him having none of that in life. That's why Chiron could be a centaur, not because he actually WAS a centaur, but because myth made him one so the grail made him one.

In short, the simplest way to understand servants are they were real living people in history that became legendary due to their feats, and the grail uses it's magic to gift them abilities and powers based on those legends and myths. The only truly hard limits on summoning is you can't summon a fictional servant, as the grail has nothing to use, and you can't summon gods as they're too powerful for the grail to give form. So you're right in saying that there's no rule mandating riders have to have a mount, or that an animal is it's own mount, but there's literally no precedent of either of those. EVERY Rider has a mount and there has never been an animal servant acting as it's own mount. So that comes down purely to GM preference.

Edit: To specify on the god bit, being deified or a god isn't the reason you can't be summoned. Your power is. If you're a "god", but you're weak as shit, you can be .summoned just fine. It's just a general rule that if you're a god you're FAR more powerful than any mortal and thus way beyond the scope of the grail. Servants like Gil or Hercules basically cap out what the grail is capable of, if you're more powerful than they are you're just beyond the scope of the grail. So it isn't even just Gods, but any entity too powerful. A good way of imagining it is you hav a 10oz cup. Hercules or Gil would fill all 10oz. If you tried to summon Odin, he'd need 20oz to fit, he's too much for the cup, he doesn't fit, thus you can't summon him. So it's less about being a deity and more about your power. The only possible way to summon a god is if either they're just weak as fuck, or they can somehow reduce their power to fit into the grail's container.

What I get from this is any Servant can be summoned as long as they are "real" in the Fate world and the grail has the power to do so. So if an animal was "real" in the fate and had their lore embellished it would be fine. Just never done before. Because, it's really hard to say what's real and what's fictional when Frankenstein is considered real in the universe and Kojiro isn't. Then, at that point, isn't it the player that decides?

If left to it's own device the Grail will operate as it should. It will NEVER summon a servant that shouldn't exist. It will NEVER break the rules.

I don't know if re-distributing Kotomine his command seals after he lost counts as breaking rules are not (may very well be within the rules, since it's the grail that gets to decide), but it feels like it =P

But lol, yeah, I don't imagine it would on it's own. Caretakers have already been accusing each other of tampering with the grail.

Finally, the Age of Gods was an actual thing,

Medea's magic is from the Age of Gods so it certainly does have an element of existence even the regular grail wars. The concept of mystery is also based on the magic of the Age of Gods being stronger...and if it's a time where 'gods' existed, then yes, other mythical beings are free to exist as well. The thing is, the grail's power seems to be based on conceptualization. So the Age of Gods may very well just be a time period where people truly believed gods to be real. Hence the magic of true faith.

From what I see, it could go either way really. Though the fantasy lover in me does lean more to your side.

No fictional servants. No godly servants. Only real people can be summoned ("real" in terms of the universe) It's super simple.

"Real" in the Fate Universe depends on whether the Age of Gods really existed...so it's not exactly simple. Kojiro is as believable to me as King Arthur is, yet he's fictional in Fate. King Arthur's lore has fairies in it...so fairies must've existed. If fairies existed, why not gods? Or mythical animals? In a world of magic, it's hard to tell which parts are embellishments and which parts are real. There's this whole root thing too. And counter guardians. Archer in stay is counter guardian, isn't he? =/

Is Shani gonna beat Hakan up for not using a catalyst? Ian Temero

o.o

lol. I'm gonna need to start reading posts.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

I guess this all started with Rider having no mount, and apparently, that's illegal, lol.

Nothing is illegal so long as I allow it.

 

[Ian Temero]

Is Shani gonna beat Hakan up for not using a catalyst? Ian Temero

Nah, she'll probably just let him suffer through this...

yes, Dragon Sickness, pretty much motion sickness but on a dragon. Shani'd probably have to hold onto him so he doesnt possibly fall.

...and then call it good.

I mean, unless he tries to be a whiny bitch, starts making excuses, and push the blame onto someone else. Then she might give him a couple wacks...

 

[LostHaven]

On the bright side, I'm learning lots more to be a better gm for this rp.



What I get from this is any Servant can be summoned as long as they are "real" in the Fate world and the grail has the power to do so. So if an animal was "real" in the fate and had their lore embellished it would be fine. Just never done before. Because, it's really hard to say what's real and what's fictional when Frankenstein is considered real in the universe and Kojiro isn't. Then, at that point, isn't it the player that decides?



I don't know if re-distributing Kotomine his command seals after he lost counts as breaking rules are not (may very well be within the rules, since it's the grail that gets to decide), but it feels like it =P

But lol, yeah, I don't imagine it would on it's own. Caretakers have already been accusing each other of tampering with the grail.



Medea's magic is from the Age of Gods so it certainly does have an element of existence even the regular grail wars. The concept of mystery is also based on the magic of the Age of Gods being stronger...and if it's a time where 'gods' existed, then yes, other mythical beings are free to exist as well. The thing is, the grail's power seems to be based on conceptualization. So the Age of Gods may very well just be a time period where people truly believed gods to be real. Hence the magic of true faith.

From what I see, it could go either way really. Though the fantasy lover in me does lean more to your side.



"Real" in the Fate Universe depends on whether the Age of Gods really existed...so it's not exactly simple. Kojiro is as believable to me as King Arthur is, yet he's fictional in Fate. King Arthur's lore has fairies in it...so fairies must've existed. If fairies existed, why not gods? Or mythical animals? In a world of magic, it's hard to tell which parts are embellishments and which parts are real. There's this whole root thing too. And counter guardians. Archer in stay is counter guardian, isn't he? =/

In this RP, you are god. Your will is absolute. Such is the power of the GM. It's your call what's real or not. lol.

 

[LostHaven]

Ah yes, Dragon Sickness, pretty much motion sickness but on a dragon. Shani'd probably have to hold onto him so he doesnt possibly fall.

Hecc if they flew over the ocean and if he fell in and somehow survived the impact he'd sink like a rock.

Uh, you realize 'Dragon Sickness' is where you get drunk on gold and riches? xD But yes, poor Hakan, forced to ride a dragon by this yuri Berserker...

OK fk this, Berserker has now transcended EX tier just because I like yuri.

 

[LostHaven]

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You see, Faffy is a funny character so therefore she has to die in a funny way.

Every time I write a post for Fafnir, I cringe in horror at what I'm writing, while thinking 'who the fuck in their right mind would do that'.

If Ava died, Fafnir would literally kill herself to activate her NP and kill everything she sees until somebody stops it.

 

[Prince_]

Every time I write a post for Fafnir, I cringe in horror at what I'm writing, while thinking 'who the fuck in their right mind would do that'.

If Ava died, Fafnir would literally kill herself to activate her NP and kill everything she sees until somebody stops it.

Huh. Well that's a bit extreme.

 

[wdinatx]

Every time I write a post for Fafnir, I cringe in horror at what I'm writing, while thinking 'who the fuck in their right mind would do that'.

If Ava died, Fafnir would literally kill herself to activate her NP and kill everything she sees until somebody stops it.

That somebody being Ava, who faked her death to prank Faffy.

 

[LostHaven]

That somebody being Ava, who faked her death to prank Faffy.

i somehow think that might happen.

thank fuck ava has command seals