Are Video Games an Art Form?

[Poisoned Youth]

Well, I guess this could turn into a debate, but keep it friendly, people.


I think so. More so than other art forms, video games are immersive, and they provoke the strongest emotions.

 

[Mordecai]

Well, I strongly believe one can't say "this is more art than this" because the definition of art is supposed to vary from person to person. Yes, I do believe video games are an art, but not any more or less of an art than a painting, a drawing, or a sculpture. I, personally, don't believe any art can be quantified in such a way.

 

[ayzrules]

it seems logical to consider it an art

 

[NoviceOfRoleplay]

It's a art, the only one that can simulate touch in such a way...

 

[ToteMaus]

I agree that it is an art form, yes. Mostly because a video game is a composite of art forms. Just like a play is a composite of music composition, set painting, costume design, storytelling, etc. Video games tell stories, have music, often have very nice 3D models and textures, all in all, a lot of effort has been put into a creative effort.

 

[NoviceOfRoleplay]

Video games is part of the Tech art forms. Movies and videogames are part of the group were the only way to bypass art is to use a group of artist instead of one. Of course, this makes giving credit extremely hard-so we chose directors for movies and designers for games. I wonder why directors aren't given credit for game though...

 

[Viola]

Not ALL video games, otherwise Call of Duty would be the equivalent of putting a turd in a fancy frame and a hat.

 

[NoviceOfRoleplay]

It's still art, just as books have Da Vinci Code, movies have Transformers, video games have Legend of Zelda-not everything is made to be high art, their still a business. Call of Duty does have smooth mechanics and complex matches-of course I believe your looking for a game that tries to have a purposes. Now Indies, damn don't you hate when someone tries to be good and fail-a couple of jewels so it's still your best way to look for good games.


Now I wish vidoegames had a oscars. The Oscars are so well known that even big movie companies have to make one art movie a year. If videogames had a Oscars, all those big guys will be forced to make art games. Oh how I dream

 

[Viola]

It's still art, just as books have Da Vinci Code, movies have Transformers, video games have Legend of Zelda-not everything is made to be high art, their still a business. Call of Duty does have smooth mechanics and complex matches-of course I believe your looking for a game that tries to have a purposes. Now Indies, damn don't you hate when someone tries to be good and fail-a couple of jewels so it's still your best way to look for good games.
Now I wish vidoegames had a oscars. The Oscars are so well known that even big movie companies have to make one art movie a year. If videogames had a Oscars, all those big guys will be forced to make art games. Oh how I dream

No. No, its objective isn't to be art. It is made for entertainment, pure and simple. Art is entertainment as well but in a more complex form. The line I draw when I consider what kind of vidya is art is spunkgargleweewee.

 

[Mordecai]

I'd like you to tell the people doing all the animation and graphic designs for games like Call of Duty that it isn't art.

 

[Viola]

No, video games as art, for me at least, an example is Journey. Or Brothers: ATOTS, The Bridge, Braid, something with such a minimalistic gameplay element where your objective isn't so much to focus on how to get past it, as to why, what the goal is, why I'm doing it, you want to see the end for a reason other than to see Kevin Spacey die, you want to see it because it feels like an accomplishment of more than how difficult it was, but how you felt doing it.


 

I'd like you to tell the people doing all the animation and graphic designs for games like Call of Duty that it isn't art.

I would gladly. They wouldn't consider it as art. They consider it as $$$.

 

[NoviceOfRoleplay]

I'd like you to tell the people doing all the animation and graphic designs for games like Call of Duty that it isn't art.

Are you trying to guilt trip him/her? Just cuz you really hard doesn't mean something becomes art. Crap can look pretty. Now Call of Duty is great at what it does, but doesn't make it Great Gatsby.

 

[Mordecai]

Perhaps they do consider it a paycheck, but doesn't every (professional) artist consider their art a paycheck? It may be art, but it also has to pay bills if that's what they're doing for a living.


All video games, that I'm aware of, were made for entertainment, so, I don't understand your argument of "Oh, Call of Duty is entertainment, not art. But such-such game is art."


 

Are you trying to guilt trip him/her? Just cuz you really hard doesn't mean something becomes art. Crap can look pretty. Now Call of Duty is great at what it does, but doesn't make it Great Gatsby.

Nope, I'm not trying to guilt trip them. I'm just trying to make a point that you can't put words in to the mouths of others. Automatically assuming that those creators don't see their craft as art is an assumption. Perhaps they don't see it as art, that's fine, but that's not up to us to say for them.

 

[NoviceOfRoleplay]

Perhaps they do consider it a paycheck, but doesn't every (professional) artist consider their art a paycheck? It may be art, but it also has to pay bills if that's what they're doing for a living.
All video games, that I'm aware of, were made for entertainment, so, I don't understand your argument of "Oh, Call of Duty is entertainment, not art. But such-such game is art."

Not all things are equal. Can you tell me Hunger Games is as good as Great Gatsby?

 

[Mordecai]

Not all things are equal. Can you tell me Hunger Games is as good as Great Gatsby?

In my opinion, no, they are not equal in quality. Are they both art? Yes, I believe they are.

 

[NoviceOfRoleplay]

Well there is two things that happened, either their blind or they were glasses


 
Viola sees things as high art or crap. You're either the best or not, there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Mordecai]

Well there is two things that happened, either their blind or they were glasses
 
Viola sees things as high art or crap. You're either the best or not, there is nothing wrong with that.

And that's fine. Again, everyone has their own opinion on what the definition of art is; however, assuming that someone else (aka: the creators/animators/etc of Call of Duty) believe their work isn't art is making unfair assumptions. We will probably never know whether or not those people consider what they do art, unless we go dig them up and talk to them.

 

[Viola]

Not all things are equal. Can you tell me Hunger Games is as good as Great Gatsby?

You cant really compare the two.


They're different genres for different audiences.

Perhaps they do consider it a paycheck, but doesn't every (professional) artist consider their art a paycheck? It may be art, but it also has to pay bills if that's what they're doing for a living.
All video games, that I'm aware of, were made for entertainment, so, I don't understand your argument of "Oh, Call of Duty is entertainment, not art. But such-such game is art."


 



Nope, I'm not trying to guilt trip them. I'm just trying to make a point that you can't put words in to the mouths of others. Automatically assuming that those creators don't see their craft as art is an assumption. Perhaps they don't see it as art, that's fine, but that's not up for us to say for them.

No, if they wanted their work to be taken seriously, they'd state it. Advanced Warfare and Black Ops 2 have a distinct feel of self-awareness to them. It looks like they know what the series has become overall.


I refuse to believe the man who came up with "Hold X to pay respects" thinks his work is comparable to the likes of fucking Portal.


I'm not trying to sound bigoted here but seeing how CoD has been these past few years, its hard to believe otherwise.

 

[ToteMaus]

Don Giovani was made primarily for entertainment, that doesn't make it any less of a work of art. The fact that it was made to entertain does not change the fact that people put their effort into something creative.

 

[Mordecai]

You cant really compare the two.
They're different genres for different audiences.


No, if they wanted their work to be taken seriously, they'd state it. Advanced Warfare and Black Ops 2 have a distinct feel of self-awareness to them. It looks like they know what the series has become overall.


I refuse to believe the man who came up with "Hold X to pay respects" thinks his work is comparable to the likes of fucking Portal.


I'm not trying to sound bigoted here but seeing how CoD has been these past few years, its hard to believe otherwise.

So, if my paintings aren't comparable in caliber to DaVinci, I should stop doing art? Again, I'm not arguing with you in so much that there are different calibers of art, as I believe that there are; however, blatantly stating the work of one person isn't art because it isn't as good as someone else's art is the part I'm struggling to come to terms with, personally.

 

[Viola]

W

So, if my paintings aren't comparable in caliber to DaVinci, I should stop doing art? Again, I'm not arguing with you in so much that there are different calibers of art, as I believe that there are; however, blatantly stating the work of one person isn't art because it isn't as good as someone else's art is the part I'm struggling to come to term with, personally.

Wait.


You're saying that they're in two different leagues of what we consider as art?


Fuck, I feel stupid now. I thought you meant it was in the same light as fucking Cosmology of Kyoto.


My apologies. But if we are going to put CoD as an art form, its on the same level as Freddy Got Fingered and Salo. -shudder-

 

[Mordecai]

W
Wait.


You're saying that they're in two different leagues of what we consider as art?


Fuck, I feel stupid now. I thought you meant it was in the same light as fucking Cosmology of Kyoto.


My apologies. But if we are going to put CoD as an art form, its on the same level as Freddy Got Fingered and Salo. -shudder-

Oh, no!


I totally agree with you that there are different levels of quality. I'm definitely never going to compare my art to some of the world's greatest artists, but I still consider what I do art (even if to a lesser extent). Yes, I agree, CoD definitely doesn't compare to the likes of Portal. I'm not saying it's a good art form, but an art form nonetheless, in my opinion, anyways.


*highfives*

 

[Viola]

Fair enough.


But for me, the highest, the top dog of this example is either Portal or The Bridge. Two of my favorite vidya of all time.


-highfives-

 

[NoviceOfRoleplay]

So, if my paintings aren't comparable in caliber to DaVinci, I should stop doing art? Again, I'm not arguing with you in so much that there are different calibers of art, as I believe that there are; however, blatantly stating the work of one person isn't art because it isn't as good as someone else's art is the part I'm struggling to come to terms with, personally.

No, you get better at painting. Now if you enjoy your paintings at the moment, then continue, you have the choice to be high art or not. Well you have the choice to try at being high art.


Every medium has a group that is obviously better. If you're not trying to examine a world, such a artist does, then you aren't really a artist. If you're not putting a effort in, then do you deserve the title.

 

[Mordecai]

Fair enough.
But for me, the highest, the top dog of this example is either Portal or The Bridge. Two of my favorite vidya of all time.


-highfives-

I love, love, love Portal, but I never played Portal 2 nor have I played The Bridge, but I just looked it up and uhh... I think I'm going to need to invest!