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[Hypnos]

*Shrugs* Call it arrogance but he believes he can protect them in Dorne, he strongly believes in his countries strength. He's not completely blind to the threat of assassination but hes not particularly worried ethier, even during the worth of the Dragon the assassin never managed to take down a Martell. What can he do for them outside it if someone decides to scoop them up and use them as a hostage?

If he's confindent in Dorne's defences why does he want to march men out of Dorne and join a war?

 

[Mion]

*Shrugs* Call it arrogance but he believes he can protect them in Dorne, he strongly believes in his countries strength. He's not completely blind to the threat of assassination but hes not particularly worried ethier, even during the worth of the Dragon the assassin never managed to take down a Martell. What can he do for them outside it if someone decides to scoop them up and use them as a hostage?

Also a political marriage isn't the same as a war prisoner...

 

[Akio]

Also a political marriage isn't the same as a war prisoner...

Can be, if someone decides it to be. Being married to someone doesnt stop a sword from chopping at your nexk

If he's confindent in Dorne's defences why does he want to march men out of Dorne and join a war?

Because he considers Daenna family as well, if Elia decided to keep everyone in Dorne he would probably be less eager to commit dornish forces till Daenna got there but shes not

 

[Leusis]

*Shrugs* Call it arrogance but he believes he can protect them in Dorne, he strongly believes in his countries strength. He's not completely blind to the threat of assassination but hes not particularly worried ethier, even during the worth of the Dragon the assassin never managed to take down a Martell. What can he do for them outside it if someone decides to scoop them up and use them as a hostage?

Like I explained before, killing an important figure, even in modern times is ridiculously easy so long as the person is willing to die in the process. Any peasant with a sling or bow or one whos any good at throwing knives or whatever could kill a noble at pretty much any time that they aren't in their keep. So unless you intend to lock your family in their castle in Dorne for the entirety of the war, there is no way they'd be safer during war times. And if you do intend to lock them up you'll just make the Martell's look like weak lieges and cowards and your own vassals will probably come to kick your asses. If Cayden is too ignorant to realize this I vote that his advice shouldn't come anywhere near Daenna because he'll just end up getting her killed.

 

[Mion]

Can be, if someone decides it to be. Being married to someone doesnt stop a sword from chopping at your nexk
Because he considers Daenna family as well, if Elia decided to keep everyone in Dorne he would probably be less eager to commit dornish forces till Daenna got there but shes not

>Killing the mother of your children because she is related to someone you don't like


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[Akio]

Like I explained before, killing an important figure, even in modern times is ridiculously easy so long as the person is willing to die in the process. Any peasant with a sling or bow or one whos any good at throwing knives or whatever could kill a noble at pretty much any time that they aren't in their keep. So unless you intend to lock your family in their castle in Dorne for the entirety of the war, there is no way they'd be safer during war times. And if you do intend to lock them up you'll just make the Martell's look like weak lieges and cowards and your own vassals will probably come to kick your asses. If Cayden is too ignorant to realize this I vote that his advice shouldn't come anywhere near Daenna because he'll just end up getting her killed.

The only ones old enough to go to war other then Cayden are Ari and her twin, Elia, and Liana. Elia has reason to stay behind, shes lord and needs to keep the law and has no reason to be out on the field with no battle experience, her battle is political. Ari is a warrior in her own right and will probably demand to join the battlefield if Dorne went to war and where she goes her twin goes, Cayden will probably mold them into his personal unit to keep an eye on them. Liana is a master of whispers like Vary's, she can etheir stay in the castle or go with Cayden to use her information tactics with the army and she'll still be pretty safe. All the younger ones have amble reasons to stay in the castle or the water gardens. At least 5 Martells would play some role in the conflict so can't say their just hiding. Cayden cares little for risk of himself and he can make sure the danger Ari and her twin are exposed to is minor as possible.

 

[Leusis]

The only ones old enough to go to war other then Cayden are Ari and her twin, Elia, and Liana. Elia has reason to stay behind, shes lord and needs to keep the law and has no reason to be out on the field with no battle experience, her battle is political. Ari is a warrior in her own right and will probably demand to join the battlefield if Dorne went to war and where she goes her twin goes, Cayden will probably mold them into his personal unit to keep an eye on them. Liana is a master of whispers like Vary's, she can etheir stay in the castle or go with Cayden to use her information tactics with the army and she'll still be pretty safe. All the younger ones have amble reasons to stay in the castle or the water gardens. At least 5 Martells would play some role in the conflict so can't say their just hiding. Cayden cares little for risk of himself and he can make sure the danger Ari and her twin are exposed to is minor as possible.

The sisters who are actually going to be on the battlefield are very likely to die regardless of what Cayden does. Hes only one man and his ability to try and protect them in the midst of a battle would be extremely limited at best. "Even if he tries to keep them near the rear of his forces theres a chance the army breaks and his sisters get run down by cav or that they get flanked and charged from the rear, thus turning what should have been the safest part of the battle into the front lines.

 

[Akio]

The sisters who are actually going to be on the battlefield are very likely to die regardless of what Cayden does. Hes only one man and his ability to try and protect them in the midst of a battle would be extremely limited at best. "Even if he tries to keep them near the rear of his forces theres a chance the army breaks and his sisters get run down by cav or that they get flanked and charged from the rear, thus turning what should have been the safest part of the battle into the front lines.

There's always danger in battle. At least in his personal unit they would be in the command squadron surrounded by the best Dorne has to offer. That's about as safe as you can get on the battlefield. Will they have to fight at some point, probably. But if Ari wants to take the field she's as good as one of his men or women and has little right to deny her. At that point he'll minimize the danger and teach them what they need to survive. Theirs a difference between protection and coddling, but there's two differences between that and being married off. One it's their choice, Elias forcing them to marry for peace but if they wish to fight it's their own choice and he can't deny that or he denies their freedom. Two they have a chance to survive on friendly ground. If things went against them in the castle or even if they suffered abuse from their adoptive family or something similar theirs not a thing they can do about it or anyone. On the field theirs a chance to survive and even grow. He'd minimize the danger as much of possible but your rights it's impossible to be free from danger and that is condridictery. But Cayden values freedom highly and if they make the choice to follow him on the field theirs nothing he can say, after all didn't he do the same thing in his own pride and took to the field for 5 years?

 

[Leusis]

There's always danger in battle. At least in his personal unit they would be in the command squadron surrounded by the best Dorne has to offer. That's about as safe as you can get on the battlefield. Will they have to fight at some point, probably. But if Ari wants to take the field she's as good as one of his men or women and has little right to deny her. At that point he'll minimize the danger and teach them what they need to survive. Theirs a difference between protection and coddling, but there's two differences between that and being married off. One it's their choice, Elias forcing them to marry for peace but if they wish to fight it's their own choice and he can't deny that or he denies their freedom. Two they have a chance to survive on friendly ground. If things went against them in the castle or even if they suffered abuse from their adoptive family or something similar theirs not a thing they can do about it or anyone. On the field theirs a chance to survive and even grow. He'd minimize the danger as much of possible but your rights it's impossible to be free from danger and that is condridictery. But Cayden values freedom highly and if they make the choice to follow him on the field theirs nothing he can say, after all didn't he do the same thing in his own pride and took to the field for 5 years?

But if all his sisters willing go off to marry these men and Cayden starts a war to stop that from happening.... Doesn't that mean hes taking their freedom?


Checkmate.

 

[Akio]

But if all his sisters willing go off to marry these men and Cayden starts a war to stop that from happening.... Doesn't that mean hes taking their freedom?
Checkmate.

lol Maybe if they could convince him that were true it would indeed take much of the winds from his sails, if he gets a chance to talk to them all. Theirs still Daenna to think about though and then he has to consider what to do then

 

[Leusis]

Daenna=More important than his actual family?

 

[Akio]

Daenna=More important than his actual family?

Hard to see it like that. More then likely he would declare his separation from house Martell and go plan to make a situation for Daenna while disinvolving Dorne entirely. It would allow him to try and create and situation for Daenna and watch over his married sisters at the same time, even if it means losing the benefit of the name

 

[Ser Davos Seaworth]

So at this point who's the best warrior in this story? Like what does the top 10 look like?

 

[Mion]

[QUOTE="Ser Davos Seaworth]So at this point who's the best warrior in this story? Like what does the top 10 look like?

[/QUOTE]

1. Siegfried Harlaw
   
2. Siegfried Harlaw
   
3. Siegfried Harlaw
   
4. Siegfried Harlaw
   
5. Siegfried Harlaw
   
6. Siegfried Harlaw
   
7. Siegfried Harlaw
   
8. Siegfried Harlaw
   
9. Siegfried Harlaw
   
10. Siegfried Harlaw
    

 

[Akio]

Top 3 are Nagito, Martyn, and Roland probably. Nagito being a good degree better then both of them. Following closely are probably Siegfried, Cayden, Rory and i don't know the list after that. That does not include NCPs or archers

 

[Hypnos]

[QUOTE="Ser Davos Seaworth]So at this point who's the best warrior in this story? Like what does the top 10 look like?

[/QUOTE]
At a rough estimation I'd say (In no particular order)

• Nagito
  
• Martyn Lannister
  
• Roland Wilds
  
• Trevir Arryn
  
• Gale Corbray
  
• Varic Celtigar
  
• Desgran
  
• Rory Baratheon
  
• Tiberius Arryn
  
• Siegfried Harlaw
  

 

[Akio]

At a rough estimation I'd say (In no particular order)

• Nagito
  
• Martyn Lannister
  
• Roland Wilds
  
• Trevir Arryn
  
• Gale Corbray
  
• Varic Celtigar
  
• Desgran
  
• Rory Baratheon
  
• Tiberius Arryn
  
• Siegfried Harlaw
  

That's probably fair though naturally it's not absolute, my character Cayden just beat Trevir Arryn in a duel

 

[Hypnos]

That's probably fair though naturally it's not absolute, my character Cayden just beat Trevir Arryn in a duel

Well to be fair it was established pretty early on (Before you were even in the RP) that Trevir is only a master on horse back, though he's still pretty skilled on land.

 

[Leusis]

That's probably fair though naturally it's not absolute, my character Cayden just beat Trevir Arryn in a duel

You beat him cause he was fighting honorably because it was a melee and your character threw dirt in his face. Cayden was getting his ass beat the entire fight until then. Why do you think Roland spit in your direction? This was a melee in celebration for a wedding and you fought like a douche. If it would have been a battlefield Cayden would have been dead long before he threw any dirt because he wears light armor and uses a spear.

 

[Akio]

Well to be fair it was established pretty early on (Before you were even in the RP) that Trevir is only a master on horse back, though he's still pretty skilled on land.

Fair enough, even so the list is not a end all

You beat him cause he was fighting honorably because it was a melee and your character threw dirt in his face. Cayden was getting his ass beat the entire fight until then. Why do you think Roland spit in your direction? This was a melee in celebration for a wedding and you fought like a douche. If it would have been a battlefield Cayden would have been dead long before he threw any dirt because he wears light armor and uses a spear.

lol read the fight again, the first part of the fight he was trashing Trevir pretty well using the sun and the environment. And if his spear wasn't blunted he could have tried to bleed Trevir and tire him out rather then having to go for the kill shot. As for the dirt, if he fights dirty and a melee is meant as practice then shouldn't he fight as he normally does especially right before war? Lol

 

[Ser Davos Seaworth]

Fair enough, even so the list is not a end all
lol read the fight again, the first part of the fight he was trashing Trevir pretty well using the sun and the environment. And if his spear wasn't blunted he could have tried to bleed Trevir and tire him out rather then having to go for the kill shot. As for the dirt, if he fights dirty and a melee is meant as practice then shouldn't he fight as he normally does especially right before war? Lol

While i didn't read the fight it's safe to say that the only reason he was trashing him is probably because you wrote it, obviously you won't deliberately make your character get his ass beat, now if you didn't write it that's different, but I'm just guessing you did since it involved your character. And as for the melee you're expected to fight honorably during a duel, meaning any tricks and cheap shots are generally frowned upon. On the battlefield no one would care but in a duel you'll catch a lot of heat for doing that.

 

[Akio]

@Fezzes[/URL] wrote with me. Only the second part was mine. I would have hated writing that entire battle *shrudders* and Cayden may catch some heat for it, he doesn't mind

 

[Ser Davos Seaworth]

Actually first part of the duel @Fezzes wrote with me. Only the second part was mine. I would have hated writing that entire battle *shrudders* and Cayden may catch some heat for it, he doesn't mind

Still, if one guy is fighting dirty and the other guy isn't then it's unfair and not very accurate as to how a real fight between the two of them would go. If Trevir fought dirty as well then it may have been different. And beating someone who uses a spear with no shield is fairly easy since all you have to do is get in close.

 

[Mion]

Dornish master plan time lads who is with me?

 

[Akio]

[QUOTE="Ser Davos Seaworth]Still, if one guy is fighting dirty and the other guy isn't then it's unfair and not very accurate as to how a real fight between the two of them would go. If Trevir fought dirty as well then it may have been different. And beating someone who uses a spear with no shield is fairly easy since all you have to do is get in close.

[/QUOTE]
Trevir wouldn't fight dirty even if he was allowed to, that's one thing me and fezzes agreed on. He didn't even consider Cayden would use the sun against him till he did. Trevirs experience with a sword is all traditional training and has yet to gone to war, he's also a really honorable sort and as mentioned earlier he's best on horseback. As for getting close he did, that's why Cayden was pressured but he's still pretty difficult to beat. Cayden is miles faster then basically any man in armor and more agile. Your right it's probably not how a real fight between them would go, much like Oberyn he would have likely tried to bleed him but can't really do that with a blunted spear so he had to go for a really risky kill shot he might have not have wanted to do in another sense.